β² 127 βΌ Germany opposes French push to tax US big tech in tariff war (www.euractiv.com) submitted 1 year ago by schizoidman@lemm.ee to c/europe@feddit.org 27 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/42263710
[β] poVoq@slrpnk.net 74 points 1 year ago (3 children) The "no-alternative" BS is really tiresome. Of course there are alternatives and plenty of them π€¦ββοΈ permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] federalreverse@feddit.org 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) Just a theory: Frankfurt has big AWS data centers, Munich has big Google and MS development locations, I'm sure there's more. You wouldn't want to endanger those locations and jobs, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Saleh@feddit.org 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) The way i see it, if Amazon want's to close down its data centers, they either have to pay a lot to get the infrastructure out and ship it to a different region. Then a building predestined as a data center is available for a european company. Or they sell the building and infrastructure and a european company can get a fully equipped data center for cheap. Or Amazon just pays proper taxes as it doesn't want to lose access to the EU market. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] 30p87@feddit.org 10 points 1 year ago German politicians don't plan. 50% of the voted ones can think to their next hitler salute, and not past that. permalink fedilink source parent [β] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) They will threaten Germany and the EU and they will complain, moan and cry about it. But when the decision is made they will pay their taxes and keep access to the enormous market that the EU is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Viri4thus@feddit.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Or, they fuck off leaving space for competitors to develop. Isn't that the essence of capitalism? I guess the US keeps living in the "rules for thee but not for me" philosophy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] seeigel@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] Viri4thus@feddit.org 13 points 1 year ago Yes, you would. Some of the best alternatives are German (like Hetzner) and they don't take off because of US government influence stopping local businesses from accruing profitable contracts both in the private and public sector. I'd love to see tariffs on US tech Invaders and a moratorium forbidding US companies from buying EU direct competitors for 20y. A cursory look over the meta anti-trust suit should tell you why. Meanwhile MS has killed Nokia, Skype, still owns (and continuously enshitifies) Mojang, just to name a few. permalink fedilink source parent [β] albert180@piefed.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Who cares, OVH also has Data Centers in Germany. The demand for those services won't disappear. These people will just be employed elsewhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] federalreverse@feddit.org 4 points 1 year ago I was trying to find a rationale. Not saying it's a good rationale. Or the most likely one. Or the only one. permalink fedilink source parent [β] letzlo@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago There absolutely are. And many pay out of their nose for crap they donβt need and is overpriced just because everyone is doing it. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Melchior@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago The problem is moving to them. The lock in effects of AWS and the like are very real. However it is not going to get easier. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] federalreverse@feddit.org 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) Just a theory: Frankfurt has big AWS data centers, Munich has big Google and MS development locations, I'm sure there's more. You wouldn't want to endanger those locations and jobs, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Saleh@feddit.org 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) The way i see it, if Amazon want's to close down its data centers, they either have to pay a lot to get the infrastructure out and ship it to a different region. Then a building predestined as a data center is available for a european company. Or they sell the building and infrastructure and a european company can get a fully equipped data center for cheap. Or Amazon just pays proper taxes as it doesn't want to lose access to the EU market. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] 30p87@feddit.org 10 points 1 year ago German politicians don't plan. 50% of the voted ones can think to their next hitler salute, and not past that. permalink fedilink source parent [β] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) They will threaten Germany and the EU and they will complain, moan and cry about it. But when the decision is made they will pay their taxes and keep access to the enormous market that the EU is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Viri4thus@feddit.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Or, they fuck off leaving space for competitors to develop. Isn't that the essence of capitalism? I guess the US keeps living in the "rules for thee but not for me" philosophy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] seeigel@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] Viri4thus@feddit.org 13 points 1 year ago Yes, you would. Some of the best alternatives are German (like Hetzner) and they don't take off because of US government influence stopping local businesses from accruing profitable contracts both in the private and public sector. I'd love to see tariffs on US tech Invaders and a moratorium forbidding US companies from buying EU direct competitors for 20y. A cursory look over the meta anti-trust suit should tell you why. Meanwhile MS has killed Nokia, Skype, still owns (and continuously enshitifies) Mojang, just to name a few. permalink fedilink source parent [β] albert180@piefed.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Who cares, OVH also has Data Centers in Germany. The demand for those services won't disappear. These people will just be employed elsewhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] federalreverse@feddit.org 4 points 1 year ago I was trying to find a rationale. Not saying it's a good rationale. Or the most likely one. Or the only one. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Saleh@feddit.org 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) The way i see it, if Amazon want's to close down its data centers, they either have to pay a lot to get the infrastructure out and ship it to a different region. Then a building predestined as a data center is available for a european company. Or they sell the building and infrastructure and a european company can get a fully equipped data center for cheap. Or Amazon just pays proper taxes as it doesn't want to lose access to the EU market. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] 30p87@feddit.org 10 points 1 year ago German politicians don't plan. 50% of the voted ones can think to their next hitler salute, and not past that. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] 30p87@feddit.org 10 points 1 year ago German politicians don't plan. 50% of the voted ones can think to their next hitler salute, and not past that. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) They will threaten Germany and the EU and they will complain, moan and cry about it. But when the decision is made they will pay their taxes and keep access to the enormous market that the EU is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Viri4thus@feddit.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Or, they fuck off leaving space for competitors to develop. Isn't that the essence of capitalism? I guess the US keeps living in the "rules for thee but not for me" philosophy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] seeigel@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Viri4thus@feddit.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Or, they fuck off leaving space for competitors to develop. Isn't that the essence of capitalism? I guess the US keeps living in the "rules for thee but not for me" philosophy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] seeigel@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Viri4thus@feddit.org 13 points 1 year ago Yes, you would. Some of the best alternatives are German (like Hetzner) and they don't take off because of US government influence stopping local businesses from accruing profitable contracts both in the private and public sector. I'd love to see tariffs on US tech Invaders and a moratorium forbidding US companies from buying EU direct competitors for 20y. A cursory look over the meta anti-trust suit should tell you why. Meanwhile MS has killed Nokia, Skype, still owns (and continuously enshitifies) Mojang, just to name a few. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] albert180@piefed.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 child) Who cares, OVH also has Data Centers in Germany. The demand for those services won't disappear. These people will just be employed elsewhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] federalreverse@feddit.org 4 points 1 year ago I was trying to find a rationale. Not saying it's a good rationale. Or the most likely one. Or the only one. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] federalreverse@feddit.org 4 points 1 year ago I was trying to find a rationale. Not saying it's a good rationale. Or the most likely one. Or the only one. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] letzlo@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago There absolutely are. And many pay out of their nose for crap they donβt need and is overpriced just because everyone is doing it. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Melchior@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago The problem is moving to them. The lock in effects of AWS and the like are very real. However it is not going to get easier. permalink fedilink source parent