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European police say KidFlix, "one of the largest pedophile platforms in the world," busted in joint operation. (www.europol.europa.eu)
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[–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It definitely seems weird how easy it is to stumble upon CP online, and how open people are about sharing it, with no effort made, in many instances, to hide what they're doing. I've often wondered how much of the stuff is spread by pedo rings and how much is shared by cops trying to see how many people they can catch with it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If you have stumbled on CP online in the last 10 years, you're either really unlucky or trawling some dark waters. This ain't 2006. The internet has largely been cleaned up.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't know about that.

    I spot most of it while looking for out-of-print books about growing orchids on the typical file-sharing networks. The term "blue orchid" seems to be frequently used in file names of things that are in no way related to gardening. The eMule network is especially bad.

    When I was looking into messaging clients a couple years ago, to figure out what I wanted to use, I checked out a public user directory for the Tox messaging network and it was maybe 90% people openly trying to find, or offering, custom made CP. On the open internet, not an onion page or anything.

    Then maybe last year, I joined openSUSE's official Matrix channels, and some random person (who, to be clear, did not seem connected to the distro) invited me to join a room called openSUSE Child Porn, with a room logo that appeared to be an actual photo of a small girl being violated by a grown man.

    I hope to god these are all cops, because I have no idea how there can be so many pedos just openly doing their thing without being caught.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    typical file-sharing networks

    Tox messaging network

    Matrix channels

    I would consider all of these to be trawling dark waters.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    ...and most of the people who agree with that notion would also consider reading Lemmy to be "trawling dark waters" because it's not a major site run by a massive corporation actively working to maintain advertiser friendliness to maximize profits. Hell, Matrix is practically Lemmy-adjacent in terms of the tech.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    File-sharing and online chat seem like basic internet activities to me.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This ain't the early 2000s. The unwashed masses have found the internet, and it has been cleaned for them. 97% of the internet has no idea what Matrix channels even are.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    97% of the internet has no idea what Matrix channels even are.

    I've been able to explain it to people pretty easily as "like Discord, but without Discord administration getting to control what's allowed, only whoever happens to run that particular server."

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Search "AI woman porn miniskirt," and tell me you don't see questionable results in the first 2 pages, of women who at least appear possibly younger than 18. Because AI is so heavily corrupted with this content en masse, this has leaked over to Google searches in most porn categories being corrupted with AI seeds that can be anything.

    Fuck, the head guy of Reddit, u/spez, was the main mod of r/jailbait before he changed the design of reddit so he could hide mod names. Also, look into the u/MaxwellHill / Ghilisaine Maxwell conspiracy on Reddit.

    There are very weird, very large movements regarding illegal content (whether you intentionally search it or not) and blackmail and that's all I will point out for now

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Search “AI woman porn miniskirt,”

    Did it with safesearch off and got a bunch of women clearly in their late teens or 20s. Plus, I don't want to derail my main point but I think we should acknowledge the difference between a picture of a real child actively being harmed vs a 100% fake image. I didn't find any AI CP, but even if I did, it's in an entire different universe of morally bad.

    r/jailbait

    That was, what, fifteen years ago? It's why I said "in the last decade".

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    "Clearly in their late teens," lol no. And since AI doesn't have age, it's possible that was seeded with the face of a 15yr old and that they really are 15 for all intents and purposes.

    Obviously there's a difference with AI porn vs real, that's why I told you to search AI in the first place??? The convo isn't about AI porn, but AI porn uses images to seed their new images including CSAM

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's fucking AI, the face is actually like 3 days old because it is NOT A REAL PERSON'S FACE.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    We aren't even arguing about this, you giant creep who ALWAYS HAS TO GO TO BAT FOR THIS TOPIC REPEATEDLY.

    It's meant to LOOK LIKE a 14 yr old because it is SEEDED OFF 14 YR OLDS so it's indeed CHILD PORN that is EASILY ACCESSED ON GOOGLE per the original commenter claim that people have to be going to dark places to see this - NO, it's literally in nearly ALL AI TOP SEARCHES. And it indeed counts for LEGAL PURPOSES in MOST STATES as child porn even if drawn or created with AI. How many porn AI models look like Scarlett Johansson because they are SEEDED WITH VER FACE. Now imagine who the CHILD MODELS are seeding from

    You're one of the people I am talking about when I say Lemmy has a lot of creepy pedos on it FYI to all the readers, look at their history

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm offended by stupid-ass shit and feel compelled to call it out. Thinking AI-generated fake images is just as harmful as actual children getting abused is perhaps the most obvious definition of "stupid-ass shit" since the invention of stupid-ass shit.

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  • [+] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No one is out here making stupid-ass claims around child marriage.

    Why are YOU so passionate about AI porn? Why do you people make this an issue at all when there are real actual kids out there being harmed?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    was seeded with the face of a 15yr old and that they really are 15 for all intents and purposes.

    That's...not how AI image generation works? AI image generation isn't just building a collage from random images in a database - the model doesn't have a database of images within it at all - it just has a bunch of statistical weightings and net configuration that are essentially a statistical model for classifying images, being told to produce whatever inputs maximize an output resembling the prompt, starting from a seed. It's not "seeded with an image of a 15 year old", it's seeded with white noise and basically asked to show how that white noise looks like (in this case) "woman porn miniskirt", then repeat a few times until the resulting image is stable.

    Unless you're arguing that somewhere in the millions of images tagged "woman" being analyzed to build that statistical model is probably at least one person under 18, and that any image of "woman" generated by such a model is necessarily underage because the weightings were impacted however slightly by that image or images, in which case you could also argue that all drawn images of humans are underage because whoever drew it has probably seen a child at some point and therefore everything they draw is tainted by having been exposed to children ever.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, it is seeded with kids' faces, including specific children like someone's classmate. And yes, those children, all of them, who it uses as a reference to make a generic kid face, are all being abused because it's literally using their likeness to make CSAM. That's quite obvious.

    It would be different if the AI was seeding models from cartoons, but it's from real images.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    OK, so this is just the general anti-AI image generation argument where you believe any image generated is in some meaningful way a copy of every image analyzed to produce the statistical model that eventually generated it?

    I'm surprised you're going the CSAM route with this and not just arguing that any AI generated sexually explicit image of a woman is nonconsensual porn of literally every woman who has ever posted a photo on social media.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    No, I am not saying that.

    I'm saying if an AI image is sexual and seeded from irl child models, then it is CSAM.

    Adult women who consensually post their image to social media are WAY different than children who can't consent to even enter a contract.

    Also, I did argue that already when I mentioned how many AI porn models are directly seeded from Scarlett Johansson's face. Can you read?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    To be clear, when you say "seeded from" you mean an image that was analyzed as part of building the image classifying statistical model that is then essentially running reverse to produce images, yes?

    And you are arguing that every image analyzed to calculate the weights on that model is in a meaningful way contained in every image it generated?

    I'm trying to nail down exactly what you mean when you say "seeded by."

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    it can hide in plain sight, and then when you dig into someones profile, it can lead to someone or a group discussing CSAM and beastility, not just CP. like a site similar to r/pics, or porn site. yea sometimes you stumble into a site like that, but it seems to occur when people search for porn outside of the Pornhub and affiliates sites. remember PH sanatized thier site because of this. last decade there was article about an obscure site that was taken down, it had reddit like porn subs,,,,etc. then people were complaining about the csam, and nothing was done about it. it was eventually taken down for legal reasons, thats not related to csam.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I can definitely see how people could find it while looking for porn. I don't understand how people can do this stuff out in the open with no consequences .

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    yea its often hidden too well to be easily found out and authorities might want to gather evidence so they let it accumulate then they pounce. one of the sites was mostly inneundos and talking about commiting it, but not actually distributing the material, they co-opt certain images to pervert it. other deviancies like beastiality were also present.

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