▲ 1 ▼ Convenience fee (sopuli.xyz) submitted 2 years ago by plactagonic@sopuli.xyz to c/microblogmemes@lemmy.world 8 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://mastodon.nz/@rupert/113280206573616520
[–] broken_chatbot@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) tbh, in this interpretation, it sounds like extortion, sort of what gangs usually do to minor business owners tax is tax, it's a mandatory contribution to society you morally and legally obliged to do, not a payment for not being killed permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 point 2 years ago That is what tax is meant to be... But at the end of the day, what happens if you refuse to pay? Eventually, either the money is taken without your permission or people will show up to put you in a room under threat of violence Yeah, this is coercive. That's what happens when you continuously act in bad faith in a community - eventually, people get fed up. This is just the chaotic version rather than the lawful one. It bypasses the states monopoly on violence, but it's also a very pure expression of the will of the people permalink fedilink source parent [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The whole libertarian argument is that the government is just the most powerful gang who goes around extorting everyone to pay taxes. If we’re not morally obligated to pay up when it’s a small gang, why does morality change when it’s a large gang? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] broken_chatbot@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) as a person coming from a totalitarian country, I would still prefer dealing with a single gang which also has its own welfare obligations can be corrected or overthrown when needed, than several mafia-like cartels which only care about extorting money from me providing nothing to both me and the society as a whole. governments have responsibility, too, it's just some don't accept it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago keep gang violence local and small 🥰🥰🥰 permalink fedilink source parent [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Oh definitely. That’s the argument from pragmatism which I wholeheartedly support. At the end of the day, we need to feed and shelter ourselves and keep ourselves safe from aggression and violence. The moral argument is a much more difficult one to tackle. Much has been written on this topic: consent of the governed, responsibility of the individual towards society and vice versa. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 point 2 years ago That is what tax is meant to be... But at the end of the day, what happens if you refuse to pay? Eventually, either the money is taken without your permission or people will show up to put you in a room under threat of violence Yeah, this is coercive. That's what happens when you continuously act in bad faith in a community - eventually, people get fed up. This is just the chaotic version rather than the lawful one. It bypasses the states monopoly on violence, but it's also a very pure expression of the will of the people permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The whole libertarian argument is that the government is just the most powerful gang who goes around extorting everyone to pay taxes. If we’re not morally obligated to pay up when it’s a small gang, why does morality change when it’s a large gang? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] broken_chatbot@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) as a person coming from a totalitarian country, I would still prefer dealing with a single gang which also has its own welfare obligations can be corrected or overthrown when needed, than several mafia-like cartels which only care about extorting money from me providing nothing to both me and the society as a whole. governments have responsibility, too, it's just some don't accept it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago keep gang violence local and small 🥰🥰🥰 permalink fedilink source parent [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Oh definitely. That’s the argument from pragmatism which I wholeheartedly support. At the end of the day, we need to feed and shelter ourselves and keep ourselves safe from aggression and violence. The moral argument is a much more difficult one to tackle. Much has been written on this topic: consent of the governed, responsibility of the individual towards society and vice versa. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] broken_chatbot@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) as a person coming from a totalitarian country, I would still prefer dealing with a single gang which also has its own welfare obligations can be corrected or overthrown when needed, than several mafia-like cartels which only care about extorting money from me providing nothing to both me and the society as a whole. governments have responsibility, too, it's just some don't accept it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago keep gang violence local and small 🥰🥰🥰 permalink fedilink source parent [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Oh definitely. That’s the argument from pragmatism which I wholeheartedly support. At the end of the day, we need to feed and shelter ourselves and keep ourselves safe from aggression and violence. The moral argument is a much more difficult one to tackle. Much has been written on this topic: consent of the governed, responsibility of the individual towards society and vice versa. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago keep gang violence local and small 🥰🥰🥰 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Oh definitely. That’s the argument from pragmatism which I wholeheartedly support. At the end of the day, we need to feed and shelter ourselves and keep ourselves safe from aggression and violence. The moral argument is a much more difficult one to tackle. Much has been written on this topic: consent of the governed, responsibility of the individual towards society and vice versa. permalink fedilink source parent
