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[+] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -32 points 1 year ago (6 children) Not if you call me 'cis'. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] noxypaws@pawb.social 25 points 1 year ago if you aren't cis then there's nothing to worry about if you are, there's also nothing to worry about permalink fedilink source parent [+] Turret3857@infosec.pub 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Just call me a normal normal normal normal because I'm tired of being called a straight cis white man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) It’s not an attack on you, I say as a straight cis white guy. It’s for people that are othered to not be excluded. It’s saying that every person is uniquely themself as well. How someone identifies is their identity after all. I have friends that are gay, straight, trans, and queer. If I can do little things like acknowledging my friends for who they are, then I am helping make their lives just a little bit better in an often cold and uncaring world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) That was sarcasm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It’s harder to tell when people in this very chain are saying similar without any sarcasm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I was hoping that they absurdity would make it clear, but obviously it wasn't clear enough, because some of these people are crazy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago That’s the sad truth unfortunately. I don’t even approach sarcasm these days since the absurd might take it as validity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* Edit: Sorry, missed the sarcasm permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago Hey man, cis doesn't mean anything besides you identify with your given gender at birth. Just like male/female are useful terms for communication, we have a term for that. In fact, cis isn't even just for that. It's just Latin meaning you're in the same side of something. For example: cisalpine, meaning on this side of the alps (the side of Italy). No reasonable person would be offended by the term. It's been used for over 100 years in this way. The only reason to be offended is if you're told to be offended. -sincerely: a cis-gendered man permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) How do you identify? What should we call you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -7 points 1 year ago (3 children) How I identify isn't anyone's business. That word, like 'moist', I find offensive. Confirm whether I'm allowed to dislike things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago Oh, ok. Like how I hate the word female. But I'm still a female. Copy that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soulg@ani.social 0 points 1 year ago People can react to your post however they want but you can also dislike whatever you want /shrug permalink fedilink source parent [–] kingofras@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago It’s offensive because phonetically it’s similar if not identical to sis. Short for sister Short for sissy, a transgender person Being called a man, and being a man, in this cozy patriarchy it is incredibly bizarre to give that up. I’m not justifying the I’m not doing it if you call me cis dude, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the phonetics have something to do with it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] shalafi@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) Turns me off as well, can't say why, but I can accept it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kingofras@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago It’s offensive because phonetically it’s similar if not identical to sis. Short for sister Short for sissy, a transgender person Being called a man, and being a man, in this cozy patriarchy it is incredibly bizarre to give that up. I’m not justifying the I’m not doing it if you call me cis dude, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the phonetics have something to do with it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] xye@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) You’ll be downvoted but people would do well to reflect on why. This is a large part of why white men didn’t vote, it’s why the “she’s for they/them he’s for you” was massively successful. I know in a just world we’d all be on the same page with this. But we’re not. You’re going to have to roll with this guy not wanting to be called cis if you want an ally and not an enemy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] shalafi@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago* (1 child) No one makes enemies pointlessly better than the LGBT crowd. FFS, I want to be friends, but I feel pushed around and told I'm not...enough...whatever. I guess I don't feel accepted and being called cis is alienating to me. But god for-fucking-bid they get called anything that makes them uncomfy. See the downvotes OP's collecting for a perfect example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Miphera@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago cis (as the prefix in cisgender) is literally just the Latin term for "on this side of", opposite of trans = "on the other side of". It's the exact same thing as heterosexual & homosexual, both from Greek, standing for hetero (from heteros) = different, and homo (from homos) = same. Is the term "straight" also not ok, just gay people and "normal" people? And same for homosexual and "normal" people, and trans and "normal" people? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 25 points 1 year ago if you aren't cis then there's nothing to worry about if you are, there's also nothing to worry about permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Turret3857@infosec.pub 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Just call me a normal normal normal normal because I'm tired of being called a straight cis white man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) It’s not an attack on you, I say as a straight cis white guy. It’s for people that are othered to not be excluded. It’s saying that every person is uniquely themself as well. How someone identifies is their identity after all. I have friends that are gay, straight, trans, and queer. If I can do little things like acknowledging my friends for who they are, then I am helping make their lives just a little bit better in an often cold and uncaring world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) That was sarcasm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It’s harder to tell when people in this very chain are saying similar without any sarcasm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I was hoping that they absurdity would make it clear, but obviously it wasn't clear enough, because some of these people are crazy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago That’s the sad truth unfortunately. I don’t even approach sarcasm these days since the absurd might take it as validity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* Edit: Sorry, missed the sarcasm permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Just call me a normal normal normal normal because I'm tired of being called a straight cis white man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) It’s not an attack on you, I say as a straight cis white guy. It’s for people that are othered to not be excluded. It’s saying that every person is uniquely themself as well. How someone identifies is their identity after all. I have friends that are gay, straight, trans, and queer. If I can do little things like acknowledging my friends for who they are, then I am helping make their lives just a little bit better in an often cold and uncaring world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) That was sarcasm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It’s harder to tell when people in this very chain are saying similar without any sarcasm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I was hoping that they absurdity would make it clear, but obviously it wasn't clear enough, because some of these people are crazy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago That’s the sad truth unfortunately. I don’t even approach sarcasm these days since the absurd might take it as validity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* Edit: Sorry, missed the sarcasm permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) It’s not an attack on you, I say as a straight cis white guy. It’s for people that are othered to not be excluded. It’s saying that every person is uniquely themself as well. How someone identifies is their identity after all. I have friends that are gay, straight, trans, and queer. If I can do little things like acknowledging my friends for who they are, then I am helping make their lives just a little bit better in an often cold and uncaring world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) That was sarcasm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It’s harder to tell when people in this very chain are saying similar without any sarcasm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I was hoping that they absurdity would make it clear, but obviously it wasn't clear enough, because some of these people are crazy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago That’s the sad truth unfortunately. I don’t even approach sarcasm these days since the absurd might take it as validity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) That was sarcasm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It’s harder to tell when people in this very chain are saying similar without any sarcasm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I was hoping that they absurdity would make it clear, but obviously it wasn't clear enough, because some of these people are crazy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago That’s the sad truth unfortunately. I don’t even approach sarcasm these days since the absurd might take it as validity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It’s harder to tell when people in this very chain are saying similar without any sarcasm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I was hoping that they absurdity would make it clear, but obviously it wasn't clear enough, because some of these people are crazy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago That’s the sad truth unfortunately. I don’t even approach sarcasm these days since the absurd might take it as validity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I was hoping that they absurdity would make it clear, but obviously it wasn't clear enough, because some of these people are crazy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago That’s the sad truth unfortunately. I don’t even approach sarcasm these days since the absurd might take it as validity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago That’s the sad truth unfortunately. I don’t even approach sarcasm these days since the absurd might take it as validity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* Edit: Sorry, missed the sarcasm permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago Hey man, cis doesn't mean anything besides you identify with your given gender at birth. Just like male/female are useful terms for communication, we have a term for that. In fact, cis isn't even just for that. It's just Latin meaning you're in the same side of something. For example: cisalpine, meaning on this side of the alps (the side of Italy). No reasonable person would be offended by the term. It's been used for over 100 years in this way. The only reason to be offended is if you're told to be offended. -sincerely: a cis-gendered man permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) How do you identify? What should we call you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -7 points 1 year ago (3 children) How I identify isn't anyone's business. That word, like 'moist', I find offensive. Confirm whether I'm allowed to dislike things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago Oh, ok. Like how I hate the word female. But I'm still a female. Copy that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soulg@ani.social 0 points 1 year ago People can react to your post however they want but you can also dislike whatever you want /shrug permalink fedilink source parent [–] kingofras@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago It’s offensive because phonetically it’s similar if not identical to sis. Short for sister Short for sissy, a transgender person Being called a man, and being a man, in this cozy patriarchy it is incredibly bizarre to give that up. I’m not justifying the I’m not doing it if you call me cis dude, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the phonetics have something to do with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -7 points 1 year ago (3 children) How I identify isn't anyone's business. That word, like 'moist', I find offensive. Confirm whether I'm allowed to dislike things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago Oh, ok. Like how I hate the word female. But I'm still a female. Copy that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soulg@ani.social 0 points 1 year ago People can react to your post however they want but you can also dislike whatever you want /shrug permalink fedilink source parent [–] kingofras@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago It’s offensive because phonetically it’s similar if not identical to sis. Short for sister Short for sissy, a transgender person Being called a man, and being a man, in this cozy patriarchy it is incredibly bizarre to give that up. I’m not justifying the I’m not doing it if you call me cis dude, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the phonetics have something to do with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago Oh, ok. Like how I hate the word female. But I'm still a female. Copy that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soulg@ani.social 0 points 1 year ago People can react to your post however they want but you can also dislike whatever you want /shrug permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kingofras@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago It’s offensive because phonetically it’s similar if not identical to sis. Short for sister Short for sissy, a transgender person Being called a man, and being a man, in this cozy patriarchy it is incredibly bizarre to give that up. I’m not justifying the I’m not doing it if you call me cis dude, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the phonetics have something to do with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shalafi@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) Turns me off as well, can't say why, but I can accept it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kingofras@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago It’s offensive because phonetically it’s similar if not identical to sis. Short for sister Short for sissy, a transgender person Being called a man, and being a man, in this cozy patriarchy it is incredibly bizarre to give that up. I’m not justifying the I’m not doing it if you call me cis dude, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the phonetics have something to do with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kingofras@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago It’s offensive because phonetically it’s similar if not identical to sis. Short for sister Short for sissy, a transgender person Being called a man, and being a man, in this cozy patriarchy it is incredibly bizarre to give that up. I’m not justifying the I’m not doing it if you call me cis dude, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the phonetics have something to do with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xye@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) You’ll be downvoted but people would do well to reflect on why. This is a large part of why white men didn’t vote, it’s why the “she’s for they/them he’s for you” was massively successful. I know in a just world we’d all be on the same page with this. But we’re not. You’re going to have to roll with this guy not wanting to be called cis if you want an ally and not an enemy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] shalafi@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago* (1 child) No one makes enemies pointlessly better than the LGBT crowd. FFS, I want to be friends, but I feel pushed around and told I'm not...enough...whatever. I guess I don't feel accepted and being called cis is alienating to me. But god for-fucking-bid they get called anything that makes them uncomfy. See the downvotes OP's collecting for a perfect example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Miphera@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago cis (as the prefix in cisgender) is literally just the Latin term for "on this side of", opposite of trans = "on the other side of". It's the exact same thing as heterosexual & homosexual, both from Greek, standing for hetero (from heteros) = different, and homo (from homos) = same. Is the term "straight" also not ok, just gay people and "normal" people? And same for homosexual and "normal" people, and trans and "normal" people? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] shalafi@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago* (1 child) No one makes enemies pointlessly better than the LGBT crowd. FFS, I want to be friends, but I feel pushed around and told I'm not...enough...whatever. I guess I don't feel accepted and being called cis is alienating to me. But god for-fucking-bid they get called anything that makes them uncomfy. See the downvotes OP's collecting for a perfect example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Miphera@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago cis (as the prefix in cisgender) is literally just the Latin term for "on this side of", opposite of trans = "on the other side of". It's the exact same thing as heterosexual & homosexual, both from Greek, standing for hetero (from heteros) = different, and homo (from homos) = same. Is the term "straight" also not ok, just gay people and "normal" people? And same for homosexual and "normal" people, and trans and "normal" people? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Miphera@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago cis (as the prefix in cisgender) is literally just the Latin term for "on this side of", opposite of trans = "on the other side of". It's the exact same thing as heterosexual & homosexual, both from Greek, standing for hetero (from heteros) = different, and homo (from homos) = same. Is the term "straight" also not ok, just gay people and "normal" people? And same for homosexual and "normal" people, and trans and "normal" people? permalink fedilink source parent