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[–] Dlg@lemmy.world 25 points 3 years ago (4 children) Y'all going to be real pissed off again. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 25 points 3 years ago (3 children) I'm gonna be pissed off having to vote for Biden. I hate the two party system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) As an European can you explain what's so wrong about him? So many laws have been blocked by the opposition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 24 points 3 years ago (1 child) With Biden? He's a capitalist with the wrong priorities. He's approved more new oil drilling than anyone else in recent memory, for example. If you're European, you would probably consider him center-right, and I don't believe that's the right direction for America. We need stronger social safety nets, better education, and really need to invest in Americans again. Don't get me wrong, he's done a lot of good. He really has. But if we had ranked choice voting in this country, he absolutely would not have won. He does not represent most of us. But he represents most of us better than the other guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Center-right is what's currently governing my country, so an absolutely cannot place him there. I should have probably specified better, don't know why I just said European. I am from Italy, we have "the protector of the traditional family values" in power and two days ago she slashed welfare and a month ago invalidated some birth certificates of children from same-sex parents. Oil rigs are definitely something you don't hear about unless you live there, I understand. Wasn't clean energy an objective of him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Elderos@lemmings.world 2 points 3 years ago It is a matter of perspective but center-right generally means some forms of welfare and capitalist regulations are still encouraged for very obvious cases, like anti-monopoly laws and basic healthcare. What you're describing sounds more like plain right-wing. no welfare programs of any kind, invalidating progressive policies instead of maintaining status quo. Biden made his whole career about cutting welfare programs and helping big corpos. He has shifted center in his former years, in part because the Democratic party now basically emcompass 75% of the political spectrum, since the GOP is now far-right, and everything left of that has to be absorbed by the democrats. Biden is making decent compromise, thanks to his legacy with Obama and members of the party like Bernie and AOC, but he is way too moderate to enact the solutions that the country needs, imo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago It's been a talking point since I was a fresh face high schooler over 30 years ago. It's been acted on only in very minor ways in that time. Nothing approaching what actually needed to be done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cpo@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago Dutchie here. Not a fan of the multiparty system either. Anyone who hits the news (be it positive or negative) can start their own party if they get the number of party members required. Result: we had to enlarge our voting billets. permalink fedilink source parent [+] TheBaldFox@lemmy.ml -13 points 3 years ago (4 children) I'll be voting for Cornel West. You could, too! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 years ago (1 child) Unfortunately splitting the vote on the left is not the way avoid Trump further fucking up the country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TheBaldFox@lemmy.ml -16 points 3 years ago (3 children) If everyone that says they hated the two party system would actually vote third party then we'd actually have a third party. Biden doesn't deserve my vote and I live in a red state. I'd vote for Cornel West even if I lived in a purple state, however, because I'm done propping up the least worst candidates. Nether the dems not the republicans represent the working class and they can all get fucked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 21 points 3 years ago I get where you're coming from, but a historic election like this is probably not the one for that action. It's not run-of-the-mill "historic", either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) I agree, but lesser of two evils and all that. I’m Canadian so I don’t vote for either. We have our own FPTP problems, but at least with a huge section of the country (Quebec) always voting in their federal party it allows room for the NDP in the rest of Canada. Fuckin’ Trudeau ran on election reform then dropped it and legalized weed. So I have mixed feelings about the guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Blastasaurus@lemm.ee -8 points 3 years ago (1 child) Voting for the lesser of two evils is how Trudeau got into power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago That’s always how it is in a FPTP system. It was always going to be either the Conservatives or Liberals and the Conservatives keep offering laughably bad candidates. Although, as both those parties shift further right the NDP may have a chance in the distant future. All I’m saying is at least there’s room for other parties thanks to Quebec’s stubbornness. (I mean that in the most loving way) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago No, we'd have a new second party. And that party wouldn't win against Republicans. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago Yeah I tossed my vote in the trash in 2016 like a fucking moron and I’ll never do that agin. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago So you want a Trump presidency. Why? permalink fedilink source parent [–] itsJoelle@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Do you, but appealing to idealism instead of staving off fascism is bad praxis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (3 children) Why, you think he's going to win? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago It would be consistent with him getting away with all of the other obviously blatant shit he has done before. permalink fedilink source parent [+] jtk@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dlg@lemmy.world -13 points 3 years ago (2 children) I hope so. The economy can't take much more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Economy's doing great under Biden. You need to stop listening to Fox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well my pay check does a lot less. I work in oil and gas industry. We are not starving but the cost of everything has went up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) Inflation has been a global phenomenon. Do you think Biden controls the entire world? Any guesses as to what happened globally? Back to the point, the US economy is fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well we are a golbal power. We have enough energy and resources to supply our country for 100 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) What are you even saying. Oil is priced globally. Food is priced globally. Virtually everything is priced/impacted globally. You're just trying to deny how inflation is global. And to fill in what happened globally just so you know: supply chain problems still causing ripples. Russia invading Ukraine, which took out lots of grain and oil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) We could be oil independent of other countries. We export way more food than we consume. We are the Us and A. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) And oil and food prices are still determined by global supply and demand. This reminds me of something: https://youtu.be/dF98ii6r_gU permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/dF98ii6r_gU Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago inflation is not the same as the economy permalink fedilink source parent [–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago The economy is kicking ass right now permalink fedilink source parent [–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Mid term election should have been a right wing blow out and it wasn't, that's pretty foreboding for Trump permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago (2 children) 2000 mules. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Wat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago What permalink fedilink source parent [–] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Oh didn't you hear? One of the backers of that steaming scam pile of shit just got caught kiddie diddling. You ppl are fucking delusional. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) doubt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago 👌 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 25 points 3 years ago (3 children) I'm gonna be pissed off having to vote for Biden. I hate the two party system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) As an European can you explain what's so wrong about him? So many laws have been blocked by the opposition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 24 points 3 years ago (1 child) With Biden? He's a capitalist with the wrong priorities. He's approved more new oil drilling than anyone else in recent memory, for example. If you're European, you would probably consider him center-right, and I don't believe that's the right direction for America. We need stronger social safety nets, better education, and really need to invest in Americans again. Don't get me wrong, he's done a lot of good. He really has. But if we had ranked choice voting in this country, he absolutely would not have won. He does not represent most of us. But he represents most of us better than the other guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Center-right is what's currently governing my country, so an absolutely cannot place him there. I should have probably specified better, don't know why I just said European. I am from Italy, we have "the protector of the traditional family values" in power and two days ago she slashed welfare and a month ago invalidated some birth certificates of children from same-sex parents. Oil rigs are definitely something you don't hear about unless you live there, I understand. Wasn't clean energy an objective of him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Elderos@lemmings.world 2 points 3 years ago It is a matter of perspective but center-right generally means some forms of welfare and capitalist regulations are still encouraged for very obvious cases, like anti-monopoly laws and basic healthcare. What you're describing sounds more like plain right-wing. no welfare programs of any kind, invalidating progressive policies instead of maintaining status quo. Biden made his whole career about cutting welfare programs and helping big corpos. He has shifted center in his former years, in part because the Democratic party now basically emcompass 75% of the political spectrum, since the GOP is now far-right, and everything left of that has to be absorbed by the democrats. Biden is making decent compromise, thanks to his legacy with Obama and members of the party like Bernie and AOC, but he is way too moderate to enact the solutions that the country needs, imo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago It's been a talking point since I was a fresh face high schooler over 30 years ago. It's been acted on only in very minor ways in that time. Nothing approaching what actually needed to be done. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cpo@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago Dutchie here. Not a fan of the multiparty system either. Anyone who hits the news (be it positive or negative) can start their own party if they get the number of party members required. Result: we had to enlarge our voting billets. permalink fedilink source parent [+] TheBaldFox@lemmy.ml -13 points 3 years ago (4 children) I'll be voting for Cornel West. You could, too! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 years ago (1 child) Unfortunately splitting the vote on the left is not the way avoid Trump further fucking up the country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TheBaldFox@lemmy.ml -16 points 3 years ago (3 children) If everyone that says they hated the two party system would actually vote third party then we'd actually have a third party. Biden doesn't deserve my vote and I live in a red state. I'd vote for Cornel West even if I lived in a purple state, however, because I'm done propping up the least worst candidates. Nether the dems not the republicans represent the working class and they can all get fucked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 21 points 3 years ago I get where you're coming from, but a historic election like this is probably not the one for that action. It's not run-of-the-mill "historic", either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) I agree, but lesser of two evils and all that. I’m Canadian so I don’t vote for either. We have our own FPTP problems, but at least with a huge section of the country (Quebec) always voting in their federal party it allows room for the NDP in the rest of Canada. Fuckin’ Trudeau ran on election reform then dropped it and legalized weed. So I have mixed feelings about the guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Blastasaurus@lemm.ee -8 points 3 years ago (1 child) Voting for the lesser of two evils is how Trudeau got into power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago That’s always how it is in a FPTP system. It was always going to be either the Conservatives or Liberals and the Conservatives keep offering laughably bad candidates. Although, as both those parties shift further right the NDP may have a chance in the distant future. All I’m saying is at least there’s room for other parties thanks to Quebec’s stubbornness. (I mean that in the most loving way) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago No, we'd have a new second party. And that party wouldn't win against Republicans. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago Yeah I tossed my vote in the trash in 2016 like a fucking moron and I’ll never do that agin. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago So you want a Trump presidency. Why? permalink fedilink source parent [–] itsJoelle@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Do you, but appealing to idealism instead of staving off fascism is bad praxis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) As an European can you explain what's so wrong about him? So many laws have been blocked by the opposition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 24 points 3 years ago (1 child) With Biden? He's a capitalist with the wrong priorities. He's approved more new oil drilling than anyone else in recent memory, for example. If you're European, you would probably consider him center-right, and I don't believe that's the right direction for America. We need stronger social safety nets, better education, and really need to invest in Americans again. Don't get me wrong, he's done a lot of good. He really has. But if we had ranked choice voting in this country, he absolutely would not have won. He does not represent most of us. But he represents most of us better than the other guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Center-right is what's currently governing my country, so an absolutely cannot place him there. I should have probably specified better, don't know why I just said European. I am from Italy, we have "the protector of the traditional family values" in power and two days ago she slashed welfare and a month ago invalidated some birth certificates of children from same-sex parents. Oil rigs are definitely something you don't hear about unless you live there, I understand. Wasn't clean energy an objective of him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Elderos@lemmings.world 2 points 3 years ago It is a matter of perspective but center-right generally means some forms of welfare and capitalist regulations are still encouraged for very obvious cases, like anti-monopoly laws and basic healthcare. What you're describing sounds more like plain right-wing. no welfare programs of any kind, invalidating progressive policies instead of maintaining status quo. Biden made his whole career about cutting welfare programs and helping big corpos. He has shifted center in his former years, in part because the Democratic party now basically emcompass 75% of the political spectrum, since the GOP is now far-right, and everything left of that has to be absorbed by the democrats. Biden is making decent compromise, thanks to his legacy with Obama and members of the party like Bernie and AOC, but he is way too moderate to enact the solutions that the country needs, imo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago It's been a talking point since I was a fresh face high schooler over 30 years ago. It's been acted on only in very minor ways in that time. Nothing approaching what actually needed to be done. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 24 points 3 years ago (1 child) With Biden? He's a capitalist with the wrong priorities. He's approved more new oil drilling than anyone else in recent memory, for example. If you're European, you would probably consider him center-right, and I don't believe that's the right direction for America. We need stronger social safety nets, better education, and really need to invest in Americans again. Don't get me wrong, he's done a lot of good. He really has. But if we had ranked choice voting in this country, he absolutely would not have won. He does not represent most of us. But he represents most of us better than the other guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Center-right is what's currently governing my country, so an absolutely cannot place him there. I should have probably specified better, don't know why I just said European. I am from Italy, we have "the protector of the traditional family values" in power and two days ago she slashed welfare and a month ago invalidated some birth certificates of children from same-sex parents. Oil rigs are definitely something you don't hear about unless you live there, I understand. Wasn't clean energy an objective of him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Elderos@lemmings.world 2 points 3 years ago It is a matter of perspective but center-right generally means some forms of welfare and capitalist regulations are still encouraged for very obvious cases, like anti-monopoly laws and basic healthcare. What you're describing sounds more like plain right-wing. no welfare programs of any kind, invalidating progressive policies instead of maintaining status quo. Biden made his whole career about cutting welfare programs and helping big corpos. He has shifted center in his former years, in part because the Democratic party now basically emcompass 75% of the political spectrum, since the GOP is now far-right, and everything left of that has to be absorbed by the democrats. Biden is making decent compromise, thanks to his legacy with Obama and members of the party like Bernie and AOC, but he is way too moderate to enact the solutions that the country needs, imo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago It's been a talking point since I was a fresh face high schooler over 30 years ago. It's been acted on only in very minor ways in that time. Nothing approaching what actually needed to be done. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Center-right is what's currently governing my country, so an absolutely cannot place him there. I should have probably specified better, don't know why I just said European. I am from Italy, we have "the protector of the traditional family values" in power and two days ago she slashed welfare and a month ago invalidated some birth certificates of children from same-sex parents. Oil rigs are definitely something you don't hear about unless you live there, I understand. Wasn't clean energy an objective of him? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Elderos@lemmings.world 2 points 3 years ago It is a matter of perspective but center-right generally means some forms of welfare and capitalist regulations are still encouraged for very obvious cases, like anti-monopoly laws and basic healthcare. What you're describing sounds more like plain right-wing. no welfare programs of any kind, invalidating progressive policies instead of maintaining status quo. Biden made his whole career about cutting welfare programs and helping big corpos. He has shifted center in his former years, in part because the Democratic party now basically emcompass 75% of the political spectrum, since the GOP is now far-right, and everything left of that has to be absorbed by the democrats. Biden is making decent compromise, thanks to his legacy with Obama and members of the party like Bernie and AOC, but he is way too moderate to enact the solutions that the country needs, imo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago It's been a talking point since I was a fresh face high schooler over 30 years ago. It's been acted on only in very minor ways in that time. Nothing approaching what actually needed to be done. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Elderos@lemmings.world 2 points 3 years ago It is a matter of perspective but center-right generally means some forms of welfare and capitalist regulations are still encouraged for very obvious cases, like anti-monopoly laws and basic healthcare. What you're describing sounds more like plain right-wing. no welfare programs of any kind, invalidating progressive policies instead of maintaining status quo. Biden made his whole career about cutting welfare programs and helping big corpos. He has shifted center in his former years, in part because the Democratic party now basically emcompass 75% of the political spectrum, since the GOP is now far-right, and everything left of that has to be absorbed by the democrats. Biden is making decent compromise, thanks to his legacy with Obama and members of the party like Bernie and AOC, but he is way too moderate to enact the solutions that the country needs, imo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago It's been a talking point since I was a fresh face high schooler over 30 years ago. It's been acted on only in very minor ways in that time. Nothing approaching what actually needed to be done. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cpo@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago Dutchie here. Not a fan of the multiparty system either. Anyone who hits the news (be it positive or negative) can start their own party if they get the number of party members required. Result: we had to enlarge our voting billets. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] TheBaldFox@lemmy.ml -13 points 3 years ago (4 children) I'll be voting for Cornel West. You could, too! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 years ago (1 child) Unfortunately splitting the vote on the left is not the way avoid Trump further fucking up the country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TheBaldFox@lemmy.ml -16 points 3 years ago (3 children) If everyone that says they hated the two party system would actually vote third party then we'd actually have a third party. Biden doesn't deserve my vote and I live in a red state. I'd vote for Cornel West even if I lived in a purple state, however, because I'm done propping up the least worst candidates. Nether the dems not the republicans represent the working class and they can all get fucked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 21 points 3 years ago I get where you're coming from, but a historic election like this is probably not the one for that action. It's not run-of-the-mill "historic", either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) I agree, but lesser of two evils and all that. I’m Canadian so I don’t vote for either. We have our own FPTP problems, but at least with a huge section of the country (Quebec) always voting in their federal party it allows room for the NDP in the rest of Canada. Fuckin’ Trudeau ran on election reform then dropped it and legalized weed. So I have mixed feelings about the guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Blastasaurus@lemm.ee -8 points 3 years ago (1 child) Voting for the lesser of two evils is how Trudeau got into power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago That’s always how it is in a FPTP system. It was always going to be either the Conservatives or Liberals and the Conservatives keep offering laughably bad candidates. Although, as both those parties shift further right the NDP may have a chance in the distant future. All I’m saying is at least there’s room for other parties thanks to Quebec’s stubbornness. (I mean that in the most loving way) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago No, we'd have a new second party. And that party wouldn't win against Republicans. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago Yeah I tossed my vote in the trash in 2016 like a fucking moron and I’ll never do that agin. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago So you want a Trump presidency. Why? permalink fedilink source parent [–] itsJoelle@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Do you, but appealing to idealism instead of staving off fascism is bad praxis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 years ago (1 child) Unfortunately splitting the vote on the left is not the way avoid Trump further fucking up the country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] TheBaldFox@lemmy.ml -16 points 3 years ago (3 children) If everyone that says they hated the two party system would actually vote third party then we'd actually have a third party. Biden doesn't deserve my vote and I live in a red state. I'd vote for Cornel West even if I lived in a purple state, however, because I'm done propping up the least worst candidates. Nether the dems not the republicans represent the working class and they can all get fucked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 21 points 3 years ago I get where you're coming from, but a historic election like this is probably not the one for that action. It's not run-of-the-mill "historic", either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) I agree, but lesser of two evils and all that. I’m Canadian so I don’t vote for either. We have our own FPTP problems, but at least with a huge section of the country (Quebec) always voting in their federal party it allows room for the NDP in the rest of Canada. Fuckin’ Trudeau ran on election reform then dropped it and legalized weed. So I have mixed feelings about the guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Blastasaurus@lemm.ee -8 points 3 years ago (1 child) Voting for the lesser of two evils is how Trudeau got into power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago That’s always how it is in a FPTP system. It was always going to be either the Conservatives or Liberals and the Conservatives keep offering laughably bad candidates. Although, as both those parties shift further right the NDP may have a chance in the distant future. All I’m saying is at least there’s room for other parties thanks to Quebec’s stubbornness. (I mean that in the most loving way) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago No, we'd have a new second party. And that party wouldn't win against Republicans. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] TheBaldFox@lemmy.ml -16 points 3 years ago (3 children) If everyone that says they hated the two party system would actually vote third party then we'd actually have a third party. Biden doesn't deserve my vote and I live in a red state. I'd vote for Cornel West even if I lived in a purple state, however, because I'm done propping up the least worst candidates. Nether the dems not the republicans represent the working class and they can all get fucked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 21 points 3 years ago I get where you're coming from, but a historic election like this is probably not the one for that action. It's not run-of-the-mill "historic", either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) I agree, but lesser of two evils and all that. I’m Canadian so I don’t vote for either. We have our own FPTP problems, but at least with a huge section of the country (Quebec) always voting in their federal party it allows room for the NDP in the rest of Canada. Fuckin’ Trudeau ran on election reform then dropped it and legalized weed. So I have mixed feelings about the guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Blastasaurus@lemm.ee -8 points 3 years ago (1 child) Voting for the lesser of two evils is how Trudeau got into power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago That’s always how it is in a FPTP system. It was always going to be either the Conservatives or Liberals and the Conservatives keep offering laughably bad candidates. Although, as both those parties shift further right the NDP may have a chance in the distant future. All I’m saying is at least there’s room for other parties thanks to Quebec’s stubbornness. (I mean that in the most loving way) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago No, we'd have a new second party. And that party wouldn't win against Republicans. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 21 points 3 years ago I get where you're coming from, but a historic election like this is probably not the one for that action. It's not run-of-the-mill "historic", either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) I agree, but lesser of two evils and all that. I’m Canadian so I don’t vote for either. We have our own FPTP problems, but at least with a huge section of the country (Quebec) always voting in their federal party it allows room for the NDP in the rest of Canada. Fuckin’ Trudeau ran on election reform then dropped it and legalized weed. So I have mixed feelings about the guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Blastasaurus@lemm.ee -8 points 3 years ago (1 child) Voting for the lesser of two evils is how Trudeau got into power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago That’s always how it is in a FPTP system. It was always going to be either the Conservatives or Liberals and the Conservatives keep offering laughably bad candidates. Although, as both those parties shift further right the NDP may have a chance in the distant future. All I’m saying is at least there’s room for other parties thanks to Quebec’s stubbornness. (I mean that in the most loving way) permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Blastasaurus@lemm.ee -8 points 3 years ago (1 child) Voting for the lesser of two evils is how Trudeau got into power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago That’s always how it is in a FPTP system. It was always going to be either the Conservatives or Liberals and the Conservatives keep offering laughably bad candidates. Although, as both those parties shift further right the NDP may have a chance in the distant future. All I’m saying is at least there’s room for other parties thanks to Quebec’s stubbornness. (I mean that in the most loving way) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago That’s always how it is in a FPTP system. It was always going to be either the Conservatives or Liberals and the Conservatives keep offering laughably bad candidates. Although, as both those parties shift further right the NDP may have a chance in the distant future. All I’m saying is at least there’s room for other parties thanks to Quebec’s stubbornness. (I mean that in the most loving way) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago No, we'd have a new second party. And that party wouldn't win against Republicans. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago Yeah I tossed my vote in the trash in 2016 like a fucking moron and I’ll never do that agin. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago So you want a Trump presidency. Why? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] itsJoelle@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Do you, but appealing to idealism instead of staving off fascism is bad praxis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (3 children) Why, you think he's going to win? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago It would be consistent with him getting away with all of the other obviously blatant shit he has done before. permalink fedilink source parent [+] jtk@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dlg@lemmy.world -13 points 3 years ago (2 children) I hope so. The economy can't take much more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Economy's doing great under Biden. You need to stop listening to Fox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well my pay check does a lot less. I work in oil and gas industry. We are not starving but the cost of everything has went up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) Inflation has been a global phenomenon. Do you think Biden controls the entire world? Any guesses as to what happened globally? Back to the point, the US economy is fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well we are a golbal power. We have enough energy and resources to supply our country for 100 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) What are you even saying. Oil is priced globally. Food is priced globally. Virtually everything is priced/impacted globally. You're just trying to deny how inflation is global. And to fill in what happened globally just so you know: supply chain problems still causing ripples. Russia invading Ukraine, which took out lots of grain and oil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) We could be oil independent of other countries. We export way more food than we consume. We are the Us and A. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) And oil and food prices are still determined by global supply and demand. This reminds me of something: https://youtu.be/dF98ii6r_gU permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/dF98ii6r_gU Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago inflation is not the same as the economy permalink fedilink source parent [–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago The economy is kicking ass right now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snooggums@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago It would be consistent with him getting away with all of the other obviously blatant shit he has done before. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Dlg@lemmy.world -13 points 3 years ago (2 children) I hope so. The economy can't take much more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Economy's doing great under Biden. You need to stop listening to Fox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well my pay check does a lot less. I work in oil and gas industry. We are not starving but the cost of everything has went up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) Inflation has been a global phenomenon. Do you think Biden controls the entire world? Any guesses as to what happened globally? Back to the point, the US economy is fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well we are a golbal power. We have enough energy and resources to supply our country for 100 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) What are you even saying. Oil is priced globally. Food is priced globally. Virtually everything is priced/impacted globally. You're just trying to deny how inflation is global. And to fill in what happened globally just so you know: supply chain problems still causing ripples. Russia invading Ukraine, which took out lots of grain and oil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) We could be oil independent of other countries. We export way more food than we consume. We are the Us and A. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) And oil and food prices are still determined by global supply and demand. This reminds me of something: https://youtu.be/dF98ii6r_gU permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/dF98ii6r_gU Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago inflation is not the same as the economy permalink fedilink source parent [–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago The economy is kicking ass right now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Economy's doing great under Biden. You need to stop listening to Fox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well my pay check does a lot less. I work in oil and gas industry. We are not starving but the cost of everything has went up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) Inflation has been a global phenomenon. Do you think Biden controls the entire world? Any guesses as to what happened globally? Back to the point, the US economy is fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well we are a golbal power. We have enough energy and resources to supply our country for 100 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) What are you even saying. Oil is priced globally. Food is priced globally. Virtually everything is priced/impacted globally. You're just trying to deny how inflation is global. And to fill in what happened globally just so you know: supply chain problems still causing ripples. Russia invading Ukraine, which took out lots of grain and oil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) We could be oil independent of other countries. We export way more food than we consume. We are the Us and A. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) And oil and food prices are still determined by global supply and demand. This reminds me of something: https://youtu.be/dF98ii6r_gU permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/dF98ii6r_gU Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago inflation is not the same as the economy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dlg@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well my pay check does a lot less. I work in oil and gas industry. We are not starving but the cost of everything has went up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) Inflation has been a global phenomenon. Do you think Biden controls the entire world? Any guesses as to what happened globally? Back to the point, the US economy is fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well we are a golbal power. We have enough energy and resources to supply our country for 100 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) What are you even saying. Oil is priced globally. Food is priced globally. Virtually everything is priced/impacted globally. You're just trying to deny how inflation is global. And to fill in what happened globally just so you know: supply chain problems still causing ripples. Russia invading Ukraine, which took out lots of grain and oil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) We could be oil independent of other countries. We export way more food than we consume. We are the Us and A. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) And oil and food prices are still determined by global supply and demand. This reminds me of something: https://youtu.be/dF98ii6r_gU permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/dF98ii6r_gU Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago inflation is not the same as the economy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) Inflation has been a global phenomenon. Do you think Biden controls the entire world? Any guesses as to what happened globally? Back to the point, the US economy is fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well we are a golbal power. We have enough energy and resources to supply our country for 100 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) What are you even saying. Oil is priced globally. Food is priced globally. Virtually everything is priced/impacted globally. You're just trying to deny how inflation is global. And to fill in what happened globally just so you know: supply chain problems still causing ripples. Russia invading Ukraine, which took out lots of grain and oil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) We could be oil independent of other countries. We export way more food than we consume. We are the Us and A. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) And oil and food prices are still determined by global supply and demand. This reminds me of something: https://youtu.be/dF98ii6r_gU permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/dF98ii6r_gU Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dlg@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well we are a golbal power. We have enough energy and resources to supply our country for 100 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) What are you even saying. Oil is priced globally. Food is priced globally. Virtually everything is priced/impacted globally. You're just trying to deny how inflation is global. And to fill in what happened globally just so you know: supply chain problems still causing ripples. Russia invading Ukraine, which took out lots of grain and oil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) We could be oil independent of other countries. We export way more food than we consume. We are the Us and A. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) And oil and food prices are still determined by global supply and demand. This reminds me of something: https://youtu.be/dF98ii6r_gU permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/dF98ii6r_gU Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) What are you even saying. Oil is priced globally. Food is priced globally. Virtually everything is priced/impacted globally. You're just trying to deny how inflation is global. And to fill in what happened globally just so you know: supply chain problems still causing ripples. Russia invading Ukraine, which took out lots of grain and oil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) We could be oil independent of other countries. We export way more food than we consume. We are the Us and A. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) And oil and food prices are still determined by global supply and demand. This reminds me of something: https://youtu.be/dF98ii6r_gU permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/dF98ii6r_gU Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dlg@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) We could be oil independent of other countries. We export way more food than we consume. We are the Us and A. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) And oil and food prices are still determined by global supply and demand. This reminds me of something: https://youtu.be/dF98ii6r_gU permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/dF98ii6r_gU Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) And oil and food prices are still determined by global supply and demand. This reminds me of something: https://youtu.be/dF98ii6r_gU permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 3 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/dF98ii6r_gU Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago inflation is not the same as the economy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago The economy is kicking ass right now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Mid term election should have been a right wing blow out and it wasn't, that's pretty foreboding for Trump permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago (2 children) 2000 mules. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Wat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago What permalink fedilink source parent [–] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Oh didn't you hear? One of the backers of that steaming scam pile of shit just got caught kiddie diddling. You ppl are fucking delusional. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dlg@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago (2 children) 2000 mules. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Wat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago What permalink fedilink source parent [–] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Oh didn't you hear? One of the backers of that steaming scam pile of shit just got caught kiddie diddling. You ppl are fucking delusional. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Wat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago What permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Oh didn't you hear? One of the backers of that steaming scam pile of shit just got caught kiddie diddling. You ppl are fucking delusional. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) doubt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dlg@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago 👌 permalink fedilink source parent