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[+] -17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

There is a different view to your statement. We live in a democracy and we had an election where the citizens chose a felon, Nazi, dictator over your side. They would rather have a court certified rapist in charge than you. Just think about that and understand how repulsive and out of touch you have to be for that to happen. This effort to destroy Tesla is only hurting your cause. It is counterproductive, childish, and small. It's almost like you want MAGA to win the next election.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    We live in a democracy

    Do you?

    It's almost like you want MAGA to win the next election.

    Assuming there is one

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Republicans won because of voter suppression and purging. What you're saying is "Pants on fire" rewriting of history. Also Jan6ers were much, much more violent so I think Democrats are simply trying out their fascism strategy.

    Vandalizing Teslas is legal, the precedent was set when Jan6ers were pardoned. So your morality argument is wrong too.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you need to tell yourself that "they cheated" then you are doing exactly what Republicans did in 2020 making you just like them. Yes the Jan6ers were pardoned but most people do not support it and believe those people should be in prison. Just like the people fire bombing tesla dealerships and charging stations should be in prison.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A strawman, Republicans claimed election fraud (2 + 2 = 5), Democrats claimed voter suppression disproportionately affects them (2 + 2 = 4). What do you think 2 + 2 = ?

    You think that violent insurrection against our country by storming the capitol is the same as vandalizing a few cars? How long do you think the sentences should be for each crime? I'd say one is 100x the sentence of the other.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Firebombing car dealerships, charging stations, and violent attacks against people who drive Teslas isn't "vandalization" . 90,000,000 eligible voters didnt vote by choice. They are vocal on why they didn't vote and it's not voter suppression. Keep lying to yourself if you want or just go read about the reasons. It's not a secret.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There are many reasons for an election win or loss. But the big one we care about in 2024 was widespread purging. It's quasilegal, there's evidence of it, it's cheating, and it suppresses Democrat votes much more.

    There were 7 billion people who didn't immigrate into the US and thus didn't vote, they were very clear as to why they didn't come to America. That's just as relevant as your 90 million, actually more because it's 100x the people! Don't get me started on extraterrestrials we didn't find, there could be trillions. It was clear the reasons we didn't fund SETI.

    "Vandalizing isn't vandalizing". You made no argument here.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "Purging" you mean only allowing eligible voters to vote? It's "quasilegal"? No each state is responsible to maintain updated and correct voter roles. There is nothing controversial about it. You lost the election. People didn't want to vote and they openly spoke about why they didn't. Most didn't like either candidate and didn't want to support either party. You lost the election and no one cheated just like the republicans in 2020.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    One such review of evidence of what I'm saying that contradicts your argument:

    https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/

    Too many logical fallacies in your comment to reply without losing your attention span but I'll try.

    Eligible voters were removed, the link proves it. Quasilegal because it's a gray area in the law, here's litigation against the practice but only in some states and inconsistently, hence "quasi": https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/mass-purges-are-new-voter-suppression. Not controversial: a strange lie, of course it's controversial, most people don't believe your argument. People didn't want to vote for Trump in China/India, that is more relevant than your argument as I've said before you circled back. No one cheated: false, again.

    If that evidence is unconvincing, what evidence would you need to see to convince you? Would any evidence convinced you or do you choose to believe without caring about reality?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This doesn't prove anything. As a voter you have responsibilities to keep your information current, to vote at the correct location, if voting by mail it is your responsibility to fill the paperwork out correctly, to send it by the deadline, and to sign it. Democrats lost all 8 swing states, states run by Democrat and Republican administrations. If you need to tell yourself you secretly won then you do that just like the Repubs of 2020. You lost move on.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What evidence would you need to see to convince you? Would any evidence convinced you or do you choose to believe without caring about reality?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you read the article it states information was not updated, or information was submitted last minute, people didn't fill out their info correctly, and wasn't mailed by deadline. Look i understand you need to believe you secretly won and the other side cheated. It's cool you just go with that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    That is pants on fire false. In many cases ballots were rejected for no reason and had to be recast. Democrats and especially Black people were affected disproportionately, why do you think that is only the case in 2024? There is evidence of this being instructed to GOP party leaders as a strategy. And even if true, do you think it's "fair" to make an all black community stand in line for 3 hours to vote because you removed mail in ballots? Does this not meet the definition of "chest"?

    You've dodged my actual question 3 times so I win this argument by default. What evidence would it take? You are arguing in bad faith because the answer is none. Look I understand you need to believe you won and your side didn't cheat despite the evidence. It’s cool, you just go with that.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    First the question was did Republicans cheat to win the 2024 election? That was your claim not what is fair. If you ask why voters didnt vote they will tell you themselves that they did not want to, not that they couldn't. Nothing disputes those facts.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You win the argument. I concede that 2 plus 2 indeed equals 5. By rejecting any evidence, not actually refuting my points and making up your own logic, your argument is identical to 1+1=3, therefore proving 2+2=5, which is what my first question was. Up is down, you win the argument, and Republicans didn't cheat. I applaud your bliss and ignorance, sir.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I hope you take this opportunity to seek the mental health counseling\treatment you so desperately need. Perhaps you can share all your mathematical equations with them. Good day to you sir.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    That is one hell of a way to lose an argument, oof. I thought it was fitting that you were gaslighting a false narrative until the very end. Definite grade school bully vibes. 10/10 would debate again.

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