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[–] -1 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I couldnt use linux on my laptop 15 years ago because suspend never seemed to work. Just tried it again last week on my generic desktop, suspend still not working. So ya linux has come a long way. Still cant use it.

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  • [–] [B] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    An HP by any chance? These don't handle suspend well and you need to add a parameter or three at boot via grub (or systemd too). Otherwise the system gets tied up filling the log endlessly with rapidly cycling pcie errors and you end up crashing or frozen pretty quickly. If this might be your problem, see

    https://askubuntu.com/questions/863150/pcie-bus-error-severity-corrected-type-physical-layer-id-00e5receiver-id

    And

    https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/yh3nkw/freezing_issue_finally_solved_here_is_how/

    Where there's a problem there's usually a solution, you just might need to root around the web for answers.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Where there’s a problem there’s usually a solution, you just might need to root around the web for answers.

    Thats a huge problem for linux, average users are never going to do that. But as a long time linux user myself I have been trying to find solution to the suspend problem for a long time and I still cant find one. So Id say its a big problem.

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  • [–] [B] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Linux programmers have been battling Microsoft and its shady deals with hardware vendors for decades. That's the real problem. Just when something starts working too well, MS changes things up, dictates changes to hardware, and then that breaks it for Linux, so it's back to the old IDE with new hardware to figure out how to get around it. Or the hardware folk just don't consider Linux a viable alternative and just happily make sure only Winders runs well.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Suspend doesn't really work for my Thinkpad either. Computers were never really meant to 'suspend', I've learned it's just as fast to power down/up on Linux.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Suspend doesn’t really work for my Thinkpad either. Computers were never really meant to ‘suspend’

    Well, whether computers were 'meant' to suspend is beside the point, windows made it work somehow but so far linux has not, and Id call it a required for most users. Without that feature working reliably, I can't personally make the switch even though I want to.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The functionality is already there and sure, it could be made more user-friendly. But that requires a lot of invested time and money, which can be pretty lacking in the open source space. If the Linux developers had Microsoft resources then Windows would be long dead.

    Maybe try a better distro if you can't confuigure the one you use? I haven't had problems on Arch after setting it up properly.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    As another Linux user with over 2 decades of Linux as my primary, it sounds like that might be a your laptop problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    it sounds like that might be a your laptop problem

    All the laptops Ive ever tried and all the desktops including my current one which is a very generic Ryzen 7? None of them have ever suspended reliably, thats for sure a linux problem. Without that feature, I cannot switch to it as my daily. Its relegated to server only for me sadly.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    The funny thing is, every laptop I have does suspend without issue. I think for a brief period in 2014 I had a problem with a Zen book, but it got fixed.

    As of today, in this office right next to me now: A chromebook, an HP and a Dell. All 100% linux laptops, all suspend. I did not have to do anything to make that work, it just did.

    I always avoid Ubuntu, for whatever that's worth.

    Actually there is one funny thing: I picked up a laptop with Windows on it for a user going to a conference. It will not suspend. When you close the lid the fan just goes full blast and it is a space heater. We re-imaged it and it still does it. We just power it off now. It is a dell.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You can’t install macOS on any PC you like either, is it not ready as well?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Just installed KDE neon on two HP laptops and I might be mistaken but I do think they're both asleep right now. I'll check back on that later but usually it's a bad hardware issue that can be rectified with some kernel parameters.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Implying suspend works on Windows either. I've got like a 50/50 chance my monitor connected with DisplayPort actually gets signal after waking on Windows. This shit has been a problem for a long time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ive been using windows 30 years and linux for 20, Ive never seen windows fail at suspending on any system in that time. Linux on the other hand Ive never seen it reliably suspend on any system. Dont get me wrong I want to use linux at home very badly, but none of the fixes I have looked into have solved the problem. Its a 100% required feature for me.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I had to implement a GPO to disable suspend on windows 10 AND 11 for everyone at my company equipped with HP zbook laptops because it was requiring a hard reset every... Single... Time.

    No amount of bios upgrade ever fixed the issue.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    With our HP laptops they would work perfectly so long as you only ever used them with one brand of dock. If you mixed dock brands without doing a full restart (like say having one brand at home, suspending, and then using another brand's dock at the office) Wi-Fi, suspend, and several other features would no longer work or work intermittently. We had HP and Targus working on it, even their engineers were puzzled.

    Problem was non-existent on Linux...

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