β² 1165 βΌ Musk Secretly Used Starlink to Foil Ukrainian Drone Attack on Russian Ships (www.thedailybeast.com) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Wilshire@lemm.ee to c/ukraine@sopuli.xyz 240 comments fedilink hide all child comments Original source: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/07/politics/elon-musk-biography-walter-isaacson-ukraine-starlink/index.html
[β] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) arrest this treasonous scumbag You literally just did permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I accused him of being treasonous -- which he ABSOLUTELY IS. End of discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Hobo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) No he's not by definition. He isn't Ukrainian so he can't commit treason against the Ukrainian people. He didn't commit any treasonous acts against the US or our allies here either (Ukraine is not an US ally last I checked). I despise Musk and pretty much everything he stands for. I think it's borderline societal insanity to allow private industry to put satellites in space and think it takes a certain kind of awful megalomaniac to think they can control that infrastructure single handedly. But saying he's treasonous for this? That cheapens the word when you use it against people that ARE treasonous. For instance when certain ex-Presidents decide to steal classified documents despite numerous warnings... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I didn't say he was a traitor. I said he is treasonous in his actions. Please, people -- There is a difference. And BTW, Musk's actions, by assisting a terrorist regime currently trying to commit a genocide upon a country of people, are equally as treasonous to anything trump has done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Hobo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) treason (noun): The betrayal of allegiance toward one's own country, especially by committing hostile acts against it or aiding its enemies in committing such acts. You can't commit treason against a country if you aren't a citizen of that country by definition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Treasonous. Learn to read, musk-lover permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Hobo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -9 points 2 years ago Musk has the character of, and characteristics of, a traitor. Yes. permalink fedilink source parent [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) treasonous (adjective): involving or guilty of the crime of betraying one's country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. Assisting the enemy is treasonous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) literally just use a different word it's not a big deal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago based permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I accused him of being treasonous -- which he ABSOLUTELY IS. End of discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Hobo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) No he's not by definition. He isn't Ukrainian so he can't commit treason against the Ukrainian people. He didn't commit any treasonous acts against the US or our allies here either (Ukraine is not an US ally last I checked). I despise Musk and pretty much everything he stands for. I think it's borderline societal insanity to allow private industry to put satellites in space and think it takes a certain kind of awful megalomaniac to think they can control that infrastructure single handedly. But saying he's treasonous for this? That cheapens the word when you use it against people that ARE treasonous. For instance when certain ex-Presidents decide to steal classified documents despite numerous warnings... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I didn't say he was a traitor. I said he is treasonous in his actions. Please, people -- There is a difference. And BTW, Musk's actions, by assisting a terrorist regime currently trying to commit a genocide upon a country of people, are equally as treasonous to anything trump has done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Hobo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) treason (noun): The betrayal of allegiance toward one's own country, especially by committing hostile acts against it or aiding its enemies in committing such acts. You can't commit treason against a country if you aren't a citizen of that country by definition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Treasonous. Learn to read, musk-lover permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Hobo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -9 points 2 years ago Musk has the character of, and characteristics of, a traitor. Yes. permalink fedilink source parent [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) treasonous (adjective): involving or guilty of the crime of betraying one's country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. Assisting the enemy is treasonous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) literally just use a different word it's not a big deal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago based permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Hobo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) No he's not by definition. He isn't Ukrainian so he can't commit treason against the Ukrainian people. He didn't commit any treasonous acts against the US or our allies here either (Ukraine is not an US ally last I checked). I despise Musk and pretty much everything he stands for. I think it's borderline societal insanity to allow private industry to put satellites in space and think it takes a certain kind of awful megalomaniac to think they can control that infrastructure single handedly. But saying he's treasonous for this? That cheapens the word when you use it against people that ARE treasonous. For instance when certain ex-Presidents decide to steal classified documents despite numerous warnings... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I didn't say he was a traitor. I said he is treasonous in his actions. Please, people -- There is a difference. And BTW, Musk's actions, by assisting a terrorist regime currently trying to commit a genocide upon a country of people, are equally as treasonous to anything trump has done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Hobo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) treason (noun): The betrayal of allegiance toward one's own country, especially by committing hostile acts against it or aiding its enemies in committing such acts. You can't commit treason against a country if you aren't a citizen of that country by definition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Treasonous. Learn to read, musk-lover permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Hobo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -9 points 2 years ago Musk has the character of, and characteristics of, a traitor. Yes. permalink fedilink source parent [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) treasonous (adjective): involving or guilty of the crime of betraying one's country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. Assisting the enemy is treasonous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) literally just use a different word it's not a big deal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago based permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I didn't say he was a traitor. I said he is treasonous in his actions. Please, people -- There is a difference. And BTW, Musk's actions, by assisting a terrorist regime currently trying to commit a genocide upon a country of people, are equally as treasonous to anything trump has done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Hobo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) treason (noun): The betrayal of allegiance toward one's own country, especially by committing hostile acts against it or aiding its enemies in committing such acts. You can't commit treason against a country if you aren't a citizen of that country by definition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Treasonous. Learn to read, musk-lover permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Hobo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -9 points 2 years ago Musk has the character of, and characteristics of, a traitor. Yes. permalink fedilink source parent [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) treasonous (adjective): involving or guilty of the crime of betraying one's country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. Assisting the enemy is treasonous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) literally just use a different word it's not a big deal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago based permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Hobo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) treason (noun): The betrayal of allegiance toward one's own country, especially by committing hostile acts against it or aiding its enemies in committing such acts. You can't commit treason against a country if you aren't a citizen of that country by definition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Treasonous. Learn to read, musk-lover permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Hobo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -9 points 2 years ago Musk has the character of, and characteristics of, a traitor. Yes. permalink fedilink source parent [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) treasonous (adjective): involving or guilty of the crime of betraying one's country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. Assisting the enemy is treasonous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) literally just use a different word it's not a big deal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago based permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Treasonous. Learn to read, musk-lover permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Hobo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -9 points 2 years ago Musk has the character of, and characteristics of, a traitor. Yes. permalink fedilink source parent [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) treasonous (adjective): involving or guilty of the crime of betraying one's country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. Assisting the enemy is treasonous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) literally just use a different word it's not a big deal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago based permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Hobo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -9 points 2 years ago Musk has the character of, and characteristics of, a traitor. Yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -9 points 2 years ago Musk has the character of, and characteristics of, a traitor. Yes. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) treasonous (adjective): involving or guilty of the crime of betraying one's country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. Assisting the enemy is treasonous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) literally just use a different word it's not a big deal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago based permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. Assisting the enemy is treasonous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) literally just use a different word it's not a big deal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago based permalink fedilink source parent
[β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) literally just use a different word it's not a big deal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago based permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] detectivesniffles@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago based permalink fedilink source parent