▲ 156 ▼ Google tries to defend its Web Environment Integrity (techreport.com) submitted 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) by 1984@lemmy.today to c/technology@lemmy.world 120 comments fedilink hide all child comments I'm happy to see this being noticed more and more. Google wants to destroy the open web, so it's a lot at stake. Google basically says "Trust us". What a joke.
[–] chickenwing@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (5 children) If you are not using Firefox now is a good time to start. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Just switched yesterday, was way easier than I thought it would be. I'm converted on all my devices, all my stuff has been synced from Chrome in a few clicks. Just do it people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 2 points 3 years ago If you haven't already, check out Firefox Sync. You can sync your stuff across Firefox instances (PC, mobile, different PC profiles etc.) You can choose to sync logins, open tabs, bookmarks, add-ons etc. Each place you use Firefox can choose to sync different stuff, so for example you can sync logins everywhere but only sync open tabs on the PC. In case you replace the phone or your PC HDD crashes etc. all you have to do is login back to Firefox Sync and you get all that stuff back. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tabular@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children) Firefox in the meanwhile but long term we need to move away from the unfathomably bloated web protocol standard/browsers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheYear2525@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Web protocol? Which one? I wouldn’t consider http or dns bloated, for instance. And tcp/ip isn’t web-specific enough for me to think that’s what you mean by “the web protocol”. Are you just trying to say you don’t like websites in a way that sounds techy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm referring to the totality of what is required to make a complete and secure web browser from scratch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheYear2525@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) That’s a rant about the complexity of modern browser engines, not the protocols. The web worked just fine before CSS and JS. The protocols aren’t the problem. Lynx is still being maintained if you want the web without the bloat of features like js and inline images. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago I believe the rant demonstrates there cannot be more competition for browsers and therefore justifies the idea that browsers will stagnate and come to an end. I think the solution will be to move away from one application doing many things to using separate software dedicated to narrow purposes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What’s the “web protocol”? Are you talking about HTTP? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I wish I'd said "web standards" instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) You mean HTML, CSS, JavaScript, etc? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Including those but also all specifications defined by the W3C. I would post other examples here but I'm out of my depth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago Ok well, the modern web technology ecosystem is incredibly featureful and flexible, it allows a huge array of options for building rich interactive applications, all delivered to your browser on-demand in a few seconds. Sure some of the technologies involved aren’t perfect (and I challenge you to find any system that feature-rich that doesn’t have a few dark corners), but there really no alternative option that comes close in terms of flexibility and maturity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AteshgaRubyTeeth@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I have too use Edge at work. Is Edge also implementing this shit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] majestic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Im so sorry u should use it... permalink fedilink source parent [+] throwing_handles@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] galaxi@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago I've been using Firefox mobile for a few years now too, and the one thing I'll point out is that the addon store is a lot more limited than on PC -- unless you're using Firefox nightly or beta, which lets you use any. But for the average user that only needs ublock or noscript, etc. it's a perfect choice:) permalink fedilink source parent [–] chokokooki@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I recently switched and all's good so far. Correct me if I'm wrong, wei would also be able to block certain browsers, including Firefox, right? I wish just switching browsers would be enough to avoid Wei though :/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chickenwing@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago If google gets their way websites will be able to block OS's and browsers. But if enough people switch to Firefox they won't be able to push this change as easily. Google Chrome has about an 80% marketshare in the browser market and most of the alternatives are forks of Chromium which google controls. If this doesn't change Google will be able to do anything they want. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Just switched yesterday, was way easier than I thought it would be. I'm converted on all my devices, all my stuff has been synced from Chrome in a few clicks. Just do it people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 2 points 3 years ago If you haven't already, check out Firefox Sync. You can sync your stuff across Firefox instances (PC, mobile, different PC profiles etc.) You can choose to sync logins, open tabs, bookmarks, add-ons etc. Each place you use Firefox can choose to sync different stuff, so for example you can sync logins everywhere but only sync open tabs on the PC. In case you replace the phone or your PC HDD crashes etc. all you have to do is login back to Firefox Sync and you get all that stuff back. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 2 points 3 years ago If you haven't already, check out Firefox Sync. You can sync your stuff across Firefox instances (PC, mobile, different PC profiles etc.) You can choose to sync logins, open tabs, bookmarks, add-ons etc. Each place you use Firefox can choose to sync different stuff, so for example you can sync logins everywhere but only sync open tabs on the PC. In case you replace the phone or your PC HDD crashes etc. all you have to do is login back to Firefox Sync and you get all that stuff back. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tabular@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children) Firefox in the meanwhile but long term we need to move away from the unfathomably bloated web protocol standard/browsers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheYear2525@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Web protocol? Which one? I wouldn’t consider http or dns bloated, for instance. And tcp/ip isn’t web-specific enough for me to think that’s what you mean by “the web protocol”. Are you just trying to say you don’t like websites in a way that sounds techy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm referring to the totality of what is required to make a complete and secure web browser from scratch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheYear2525@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) That’s a rant about the complexity of modern browser engines, not the protocols. The web worked just fine before CSS and JS. The protocols aren’t the problem. Lynx is still being maintained if you want the web without the bloat of features like js and inline images. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago I believe the rant demonstrates there cannot be more competition for browsers and therefore justifies the idea that browsers will stagnate and come to an end. I think the solution will be to move away from one application doing many things to using separate software dedicated to narrow purposes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What’s the “web protocol”? Are you talking about HTTP? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I wish I'd said "web standards" instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) You mean HTML, CSS, JavaScript, etc? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Including those but also all specifications defined by the W3C. I would post other examples here but I'm out of my depth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago Ok well, the modern web technology ecosystem is incredibly featureful and flexible, it allows a huge array of options for building rich interactive applications, all delivered to your browser on-demand in a few seconds. Sure some of the technologies involved aren’t perfect (and I challenge you to find any system that feature-rich that doesn’t have a few dark corners), but there really no alternative option that comes close in terms of flexibility and maturity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheYear2525@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Web protocol? Which one? I wouldn’t consider http or dns bloated, for instance. And tcp/ip isn’t web-specific enough for me to think that’s what you mean by “the web protocol”. Are you just trying to say you don’t like websites in a way that sounds techy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm referring to the totality of what is required to make a complete and secure web browser from scratch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheYear2525@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) That’s a rant about the complexity of modern browser engines, not the protocols. The web worked just fine before CSS and JS. The protocols aren’t the problem. Lynx is still being maintained if you want the web without the bloat of features like js and inline images. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago I believe the rant demonstrates there cannot be more competition for browsers and therefore justifies the idea that browsers will stagnate and come to an end. I think the solution will be to move away from one application doing many things to using separate software dedicated to narrow purposes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm referring to the totality of what is required to make a complete and secure web browser from scratch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheYear2525@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) That’s a rant about the complexity of modern browser engines, not the protocols. The web worked just fine before CSS and JS. The protocols aren’t the problem. Lynx is still being maintained if you want the web without the bloat of features like js and inline images. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago I believe the rant demonstrates there cannot be more competition for browsers and therefore justifies the idea that browsers will stagnate and come to an end. I think the solution will be to move away from one application doing many things to using separate software dedicated to narrow purposes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheYear2525@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) That’s a rant about the complexity of modern browser engines, not the protocols. The web worked just fine before CSS and JS. The protocols aren’t the problem. Lynx is still being maintained if you want the web without the bloat of features like js and inline images. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago I believe the rant demonstrates there cannot be more competition for browsers and therefore justifies the idea that browsers will stagnate and come to an end. I think the solution will be to move away from one application doing many things to using separate software dedicated to narrow purposes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tabular@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago I believe the rant demonstrates there cannot be more competition for browsers and therefore justifies the idea that browsers will stagnate and come to an end. I think the solution will be to move away from one application doing many things to using separate software dedicated to narrow purposes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What’s the “web protocol”? Are you talking about HTTP? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I wish I'd said "web standards" instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) You mean HTML, CSS, JavaScript, etc? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Including those but also all specifications defined by the W3C. I would post other examples here but I'm out of my depth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago Ok well, the modern web technology ecosystem is incredibly featureful and flexible, it allows a huge array of options for building rich interactive applications, all delivered to your browser on-demand in a few seconds. Sure some of the technologies involved aren’t perfect (and I challenge you to find any system that feature-rich that doesn’t have a few dark corners), but there really no alternative option that comes close in terms of flexibility and maturity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I wish I'd said "web standards" instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) You mean HTML, CSS, JavaScript, etc? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Including those but also all specifications defined by the W3C. I would post other examples here but I'm out of my depth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago Ok well, the modern web technology ecosystem is incredibly featureful and flexible, it allows a huge array of options for building rich interactive applications, all delivered to your browser on-demand in a few seconds. Sure some of the technologies involved aren’t perfect (and I challenge you to find any system that feature-rich that doesn’t have a few dark corners), but there really no alternative option that comes close in terms of flexibility and maturity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) You mean HTML, CSS, JavaScript, etc? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Including those but also all specifications defined by the W3C. I would post other examples here but I'm out of my depth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago Ok well, the modern web technology ecosystem is incredibly featureful and flexible, it allows a huge array of options for building rich interactive applications, all delivered to your browser on-demand in a few seconds. Sure some of the technologies involved aren’t perfect (and I challenge you to find any system that feature-rich that doesn’t have a few dark corners), but there really no alternative option that comes close in terms of flexibility and maturity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Including those but also all specifications defined by the W3C. I would post other examples here but I'm out of my depth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago Ok well, the modern web technology ecosystem is incredibly featureful and flexible, it allows a huge array of options for building rich interactive applications, all delivered to your browser on-demand in a few seconds. Sure some of the technologies involved aren’t perfect (and I challenge you to find any system that feature-rich that doesn’t have a few dark corners), but there really no alternative option that comes close in terms of flexibility and maturity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dan@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago Ok well, the modern web technology ecosystem is incredibly featureful and flexible, it allows a huge array of options for building rich interactive applications, all delivered to your browser on-demand in a few seconds. Sure some of the technologies involved aren’t perfect (and I challenge you to find any system that feature-rich that doesn’t have a few dark corners), but there really no alternative option that comes close in terms of flexibility and maturity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AteshgaRubyTeeth@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I have too use Edge at work. Is Edge also implementing this shit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] majestic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Im so sorry u should use it... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] majestic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Im so sorry u should use it... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] throwing_handles@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] galaxi@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago I've been using Firefox mobile for a few years now too, and the one thing I'll point out is that the addon store is a lot more limited than on PC -- unless you're using Firefox nightly or beta, which lets you use any. But for the average user that only needs ublock or noscript, etc. it's a perfect choice:) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] galaxi@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago I've been using Firefox mobile for a few years now too, and the one thing I'll point out is that the addon store is a lot more limited than on PC -- unless you're using Firefox nightly or beta, which lets you use any. But for the average user that only needs ublock or noscript, etc. it's a perfect choice:) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chokokooki@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I recently switched and all's good so far. Correct me if I'm wrong, wei would also be able to block certain browsers, including Firefox, right? I wish just switching browsers would be enough to avoid Wei though :/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chickenwing@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago If google gets their way websites will be able to block OS's and browsers. But if enough people switch to Firefox they won't be able to push this change as easily. Google Chrome has about an 80% marketshare in the browser market and most of the alternatives are forks of Chromium which google controls. If this doesn't change Google will be able to do anything they want. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chickenwing@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago If google gets their way websites will be able to block OS's and browsers. But if enough people switch to Firefox they won't be able to push this change as easily. Google Chrome has about an 80% marketshare in the browser market and most of the alternatives are forks of Chromium which google controls. If this doesn't change Google will be able to do anything they want. permalink fedilink source parent