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Fucking leeches (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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[–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Getting a paycheck automatically means that someone has more money before a product, or service is delivered. So I'm gonna stretch this a little.... If we like jobs that pay money then we gotta live with rich assholes. But if we want no rich assholes and truly everyone's time is worth exactly the same amount, then we need something other than capitalism. We need socialism. But how do we prevent kings or rich politicians in either scenario? Tax them in capitalism for one. In socialism we just downright make that illegal.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Instead of a rich asshole, you can have worker owned cooperatives and such.

    everyone’s time is worth exactly the same amount

    That's just objectively not the case. Some people are able to provide more essential or better quality services and labor than others. There are also more and less enjoyable activities.

    Everyone's time can be worth the same amount for the same activity at the same quality level.

    how do we prevent kings or rich politicians in either scenario? Tax them in capitalism for one. In socialism we just downright make that illegal.

    You will always have people in more powerful positions and some will take advantage of it. What you can do is rotate people with term limits and such. However that can also have downsides in effectiveness and efficiency.

    You can also impose limits on how much stuff a person can own. There are ways to circumvent this with non profit NGOs and such.

    Socialist economies also need taxes to pay for infrastructure and the operations of the state.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    This is basically where not even I believe in myself.

    Cooperatives.... A few billion of us get together to build a rocket...never gonna happen. A few of us build a power plant...yeah right! Never gonna happen.

    What about life? My life, how much is my life worth? Is it worth more than yours or less? Divided into life/second, if I'm worth the same as you are, then I should get paid the same as you no matter what I do... I could be a painter or a seamstress or a cook or a bricklayer. I should be worth the same. Even a bum who wants nothing to do with anyone should be worth the same as the most smartest person to ever live. Its a life. You don't get to be worth more by being smarter or making more stuff.

    I would definitely not want to live in a society where my kids will be homeless even though I am the hardest working worker. If my kids are lazy I still want to ensure they live better than I did. So although I don't like this consumerism centric capitalistic society, that socialistic society sucks.

    I much rather be in a society where you can own things and give them to your kids, and have those things hold some value. I don't want the government limiting what I can and cannot do. To some extent I think this sort of capitalism is possible, but the billionaires have got to go puff. I would love living a grand life with a big house in a sunny part of California. That's impossible now no matter what I say or do. Meanwhile some billionaire could just buy California if he wanted to. That sort of money accumulation I'm totally against.

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