▲ 4407 ▼ You didn't bought it you rented it! (lemmy.world) submitted 3 years ago by Crispy_Mate@lemmy.world to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world 469 comments fedilink hide all child comments I hate that everything now is a subscription service instead of buying it and do whatever you want.
[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 169 points 3 years ago (4 children) I just read an article the other day that said LG is about to start charging subscription fees for washing machines 🙄 I will go old school and start washing my clothes against a rock in the river before I'll pay a fucking subscription to use my own washing machine permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 77 points 3 years ago* (1 child) That is crazy. Like a damn laundromat. So is LG gonna supply water and power too? Wtf are the charging for? The right to buy their product? Lmao. Fuck off. Go analog. Real analog. Sticks and stones baby. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 38 points 3 years ago (3 children) The article said the subscription was for "software updates" which really seems like something they should provide for free anyway so you're really just paying for the privilege to use their precious machine that you already paid for lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 3 years ago (2 children) Software updates for what? New ways to wash your clothes? I only use like two or three settings in mine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 25 points 3 years ago (1 child) Knowing LG it's probably updates to make it play Jingle Bells at Christmas time or something lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) Sounds like paywalling security updates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cashsky@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (2 children) Those pesky hackers turning off my washing machine when I'm trying to do laundry! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 14 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well, if your washing machine was connected to the internet you would also need security updates. Of course the only reason you'd connect your washing machine to the internet would be in order to get said security updates in the first place. Great job creating a need by developing the fix for it in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] joenforcer@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Alerts for when the washer finishes its cycle. Reminders on when to do a tub clean. More detail when certain errors or anomalies are detected. Additional wash cycles for special load/fabric types that don't fit on the dial.I have used the internet connection on my washer for all of these things and it has been very useful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemon@sowhois.gay 14 points 3 years ago My magical washing machine somehow knows how to do those things without an internet connection. permalink fedilink source parent [–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Potentially more serious than that. A poorly protected washing machine (or any other IOT device) can serve as an attack vector into your local network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 11 points 3 years ago (2 children) You're not wrong, but why the hell does a washing machine need to be Internet connected in the first place? And since the first answer is always "So it can tell me when the cycle is done," set a frickin timer if it's that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think maybe to turn in on remotely. Lets say you leave to work in the morning and you want to have your clothes washed and/or dried when you arrive from work, then you can turn it on remotely, but its still stupid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) My washer has a delay timer on it. Is that not a common option? I also have an option to start a small fan and spin the drum every few minutes, so it keeps wet clothes from getting mildewy. I use that every time, so I don't have nasty clothes when I inevitably forget to swap stuff into the dryer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Oh, nice. I didnt know those were an option permalink fedilink source parent [–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Oh I agree totally. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Clocksstriking13@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago (3 children) I think it's for "smart" washing machines that you can control from your phone etc. So that's likely what the "updates" would be related too...why you'd need to control your washing machine from afar is beyond me but some people love smart gadgets and will by anything that connects to their phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] thecodemonk@programming.dev 7 points 3 years ago I hate the make everything a smart appliance trend... Grills, washers and dryers, dishwashers, coffee machines... WHY? No one needs this shit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mayo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) There are cases for it, eg programming a wash to occur when energy demand is low. In my opinion we should be pursuing technologies to do this that don't require an internet connection. Even being able to program a schedule into the machine and it can detect if something is in there or not. That would be enough since energy usage follows a relatively consistent plot. These companies don't give a shit about anything other than coming up with ways to make more money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gork@lemm.ee 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) The cost of the laundry subscription is likely to vastly out cost the energy savings it may provide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Ya it's a shit idea to go subscription in any situation. You really do not need any kind of ongoing updates/subscription unless the product was built around a subscription model. If it can done mechanically on basic programmable outlets then it can be coded the same way. I would be fine buying a laundry machine, asking my utilities provider what time to run it, and then programming that into the machine manually. permalink fedilink source parent [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago Huh. I do my best to avoid anything that connects to my phone. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Perfide@reddthat.com 24 points 3 years ago (1 child) Fucking software updates for a washing machine? If my washing machine needs a software update, that should be a fucking recall. A washing machine should be a fully embedded system imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DrQuint@lemmy.world 19 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's updates for the cybersecurity that exists strictly only because it is connected to the internet which in turn is something that exists strictly only because there's software updates. Megaman Battle Network was prophetic. Terrorist will flood your house using a phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DarkMatter_contract@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* Why would anyone connect a washing machine to the internet??? To play Skyrim? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Countsheep@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 years ago I hope this is rage bait because I can’t think of any reason a washing machine would ever need a software update. Is it like a smart machine? If so then just let me disable it permalink fedilink source parent [–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 19 points 3 years ago (2 children) what is the difference between a subscription and a never ending loan permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] luffyuk@lemmy.world 26 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) With a loan you actually receive money at the start. permalink fedilink source parent [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) A loan usually comes with full support and warranty service for the duration of the loan. With a subscription I bet you get to pay without receiving these benefits in return. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Well any manufacturer warranty would apply to the machine regardless of how you pay for it permalink fedilink source parent [–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago Yeah. I think I'd rather employ someone to wash my clothes for me than pay a subscription permalink fedilink source parent [–] moosetwin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago man the world is so fucked up that I was more surprised that they weren't already doing this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 77 points 3 years ago* (1 child) That is crazy. Like a damn laundromat. So is LG gonna supply water and power too? Wtf are the charging for? The right to buy their product? Lmao. Fuck off. Go analog. Real analog. Sticks and stones baby. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 38 points 3 years ago (3 children) The article said the subscription was for "software updates" which really seems like something they should provide for free anyway so you're really just paying for the privilege to use their precious machine that you already paid for lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 3 years ago (2 children) Software updates for what? New ways to wash your clothes? I only use like two or three settings in mine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 25 points 3 years ago (1 child) Knowing LG it's probably updates to make it play Jingle Bells at Christmas time or something lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) Sounds like paywalling security updates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cashsky@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (2 children) Those pesky hackers turning off my washing machine when I'm trying to do laundry! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 14 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well, if your washing machine was connected to the internet you would also need security updates. Of course the only reason you'd connect your washing machine to the internet would be in order to get said security updates in the first place. Great job creating a need by developing the fix for it in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] joenforcer@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Alerts for when the washer finishes its cycle. Reminders on when to do a tub clean. More detail when certain errors or anomalies are detected. Additional wash cycles for special load/fabric types that don't fit on the dial.I have used the internet connection on my washer for all of these things and it has been very useful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemon@sowhois.gay 14 points 3 years ago My magical washing machine somehow knows how to do those things without an internet connection. permalink fedilink source parent [–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Potentially more serious than that. A poorly protected washing machine (or any other IOT device) can serve as an attack vector into your local network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 11 points 3 years ago (2 children) You're not wrong, but why the hell does a washing machine need to be Internet connected in the first place? And since the first answer is always "So it can tell me when the cycle is done," set a frickin timer if it's that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think maybe to turn in on remotely. Lets say you leave to work in the morning and you want to have your clothes washed and/or dried when you arrive from work, then you can turn it on remotely, but its still stupid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) My washer has a delay timer on it. Is that not a common option? I also have an option to start a small fan and spin the drum every few minutes, so it keeps wet clothes from getting mildewy. I use that every time, so I don't have nasty clothes when I inevitably forget to swap stuff into the dryer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Oh, nice. I didnt know those were an option permalink fedilink source parent [–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Oh I agree totally. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Clocksstriking13@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago (3 children) I think it's for "smart" washing machines that you can control from your phone etc. So that's likely what the "updates" would be related too...why you'd need to control your washing machine from afar is beyond me but some people love smart gadgets and will by anything that connects to their phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] thecodemonk@programming.dev 7 points 3 years ago I hate the make everything a smart appliance trend... Grills, washers and dryers, dishwashers, coffee machines... WHY? No one needs this shit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mayo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) There are cases for it, eg programming a wash to occur when energy demand is low. In my opinion we should be pursuing technologies to do this that don't require an internet connection. Even being able to program a schedule into the machine and it can detect if something is in there or not. That would be enough since energy usage follows a relatively consistent plot. These companies don't give a shit about anything other than coming up with ways to make more money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gork@lemm.ee 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) The cost of the laundry subscription is likely to vastly out cost the energy savings it may provide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Ya it's a shit idea to go subscription in any situation. You really do not need any kind of ongoing updates/subscription unless the product was built around a subscription model. If it can done mechanically on basic programmable outlets then it can be coded the same way. I would be fine buying a laundry machine, asking my utilities provider what time to run it, and then programming that into the machine manually. permalink fedilink source parent [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago Huh. I do my best to avoid anything that connects to my phone. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Perfide@reddthat.com 24 points 3 years ago (1 child) Fucking software updates for a washing machine? If my washing machine needs a software update, that should be a fucking recall. A washing machine should be a fully embedded system imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DrQuint@lemmy.world 19 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's updates for the cybersecurity that exists strictly only because it is connected to the internet which in turn is something that exists strictly only because there's software updates. Megaman Battle Network was prophetic. Terrorist will flood your house using a phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DarkMatter_contract@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* Why would anyone connect a washing machine to the internet??? To play Skyrim? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Countsheep@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 years ago I hope this is rage bait because I can’t think of any reason a washing machine would ever need a software update. Is it like a smart machine? If so then just let me disable it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 38 points 3 years ago (3 children) The article said the subscription was for "software updates" which really seems like something they should provide for free anyway so you're really just paying for the privilege to use their precious machine that you already paid for lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 3 years ago (2 children) Software updates for what? New ways to wash your clothes? I only use like two or three settings in mine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 25 points 3 years ago (1 child) Knowing LG it's probably updates to make it play Jingle Bells at Christmas time or something lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) Sounds like paywalling security updates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cashsky@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (2 children) Those pesky hackers turning off my washing machine when I'm trying to do laundry! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 14 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well, if your washing machine was connected to the internet you would also need security updates. Of course the only reason you'd connect your washing machine to the internet would be in order to get said security updates in the first place. Great job creating a need by developing the fix for it in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] joenforcer@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Alerts for when the washer finishes its cycle. Reminders on when to do a tub clean. More detail when certain errors or anomalies are detected. Additional wash cycles for special load/fabric types that don't fit on the dial.I have used the internet connection on my washer for all of these things and it has been very useful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemon@sowhois.gay 14 points 3 years ago My magical washing machine somehow knows how to do those things without an internet connection. permalink fedilink source parent [–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Potentially more serious than that. A poorly protected washing machine (or any other IOT device) can serve as an attack vector into your local network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 11 points 3 years ago (2 children) You're not wrong, but why the hell does a washing machine need to be Internet connected in the first place? And since the first answer is always "So it can tell me when the cycle is done," set a frickin timer if it's that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think maybe to turn in on remotely. Lets say you leave to work in the morning and you want to have your clothes washed and/or dried when you arrive from work, then you can turn it on remotely, but its still stupid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) My washer has a delay timer on it. Is that not a common option? I also have an option to start a small fan and spin the drum every few minutes, so it keeps wet clothes from getting mildewy. I use that every time, so I don't have nasty clothes when I inevitably forget to swap stuff into the dryer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Oh, nice. I didnt know those were an option permalink fedilink source parent [–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Oh I agree totally. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Clocksstriking13@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago (3 children) I think it's for "smart" washing machines that you can control from your phone etc. So that's likely what the "updates" would be related too...why you'd need to control your washing machine from afar is beyond me but some people love smart gadgets and will by anything that connects to their phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] thecodemonk@programming.dev 7 points 3 years ago I hate the make everything a smart appliance trend... Grills, washers and dryers, dishwashers, coffee machines... WHY? No one needs this shit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mayo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) There are cases for it, eg programming a wash to occur when energy demand is low. In my opinion we should be pursuing technologies to do this that don't require an internet connection. Even being able to program a schedule into the machine and it can detect if something is in there or not. That would be enough since energy usage follows a relatively consistent plot. These companies don't give a shit about anything other than coming up with ways to make more money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gork@lemm.ee 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) The cost of the laundry subscription is likely to vastly out cost the energy savings it may provide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Ya it's a shit idea to go subscription in any situation. You really do not need any kind of ongoing updates/subscription unless the product was built around a subscription model. If it can done mechanically on basic programmable outlets then it can be coded the same way. I would be fine buying a laundry machine, asking my utilities provider what time to run it, and then programming that into the machine manually. permalink fedilink source parent [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago Huh. I do my best to avoid anything that connects to my phone. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Perfide@reddthat.com 24 points 3 years ago (1 child) Fucking software updates for a washing machine? If my washing machine needs a software update, that should be a fucking recall. A washing machine should be a fully embedded system imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DrQuint@lemmy.world 19 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's updates for the cybersecurity that exists strictly only because it is connected to the internet which in turn is something that exists strictly only because there's software updates. Megaman Battle Network was prophetic. Terrorist will flood your house using a phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DarkMatter_contract@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* Why would anyone connect a washing machine to the internet??? To play Skyrim? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Countsheep@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 years ago I hope this is rage bait because I can’t think of any reason a washing machine would ever need a software update. Is it like a smart machine? If so then just let me disable it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 3 years ago (2 children) Software updates for what? New ways to wash your clothes? I only use like two or three settings in mine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 25 points 3 years ago (1 child) Knowing LG it's probably updates to make it play Jingle Bells at Christmas time or something lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) Sounds like paywalling security updates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cashsky@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (2 children) Those pesky hackers turning off my washing machine when I'm trying to do laundry! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 14 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well, if your washing machine was connected to the internet you would also need security updates. Of course the only reason you'd connect your washing machine to the internet would be in order to get said security updates in the first place. Great job creating a need by developing the fix for it in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] joenforcer@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Alerts for when the washer finishes its cycle. Reminders on when to do a tub clean. More detail when certain errors or anomalies are detected. Additional wash cycles for special load/fabric types that don't fit on the dial.I have used the internet connection on my washer for all of these things and it has been very useful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemon@sowhois.gay 14 points 3 years ago My magical washing machine somehow knows how to do those things without an internet connection. permalink fedilink source parent [–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Potentially more serious than that. A poorly protected washing machine (or any other IOT device) can serve as an attack vector into your local network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 11 points 3 years ago (2 children) You're not wrong, but why the hell does a washing machine need to be Internet connected in the first place? And since the first answer is always "So it can tell me when the cycle is done," set a frickin timer if it's that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think maybe to turn in on remotely. Lets say you leave to work in the morning and you want to have your clothes washed and/or dried when you arrive from work, then you can turn it on remotely, but its still stupid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) My washer has a delay timer on it. Is that not a common option? I also have an option to start a small fan and spin the drum every few minutes, so it keeps wet clothes from getting mildewy. I use that every time, so I don't have nasty clothes when I inevitably forget to swap stuff into the dryer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Oh, nice. I didnt know those were an option permalink fedilink source parent [–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Oh I agree totally. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Clocksstriking13@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago (3 children) I think it's for "smart" washing machines that you can control from your phone etc. So that's likely what the "updates" would be related too...why you'd need to control your washing machine from afar is beyond me but some people love smart gadgets and will by anything that connects to their phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] thecodemonk@programming.dev 7 points 3 years ago I hate the make everything a smart appliance trend... Grills, washers and dryers, dishwashers, coffee machines... WHY? No one needs this shit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mayo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) There are cases for it, eg programming a wash to occur when energy demand is low. In my opinion we should be pursuing technologies to do this that don't require an internet connection. Even being able to program a schedule into the machine and it can detect if something is in there or not. That would be enough since energy usage follows a relatively consistent plot. These companies don't give a shit about anything other than coming up with ways to make more money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gork@lemm.ee 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) The cost of the laundry subscription is likely to vastly out cost the energy savings it may provide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Ya it's a shit idea to go subscription in any situation. You really do not need any kind of ongoing updates/subscription unless the product was built around a subscription model. If it can done mechanically on basic programmable outlets then it can be coded the same way. I would be fine buying a laundry machine, asking my utilities provider what time to run it, and then programming that into the machine manually. permalink fedilink source parent [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago Huh. I do my best to avoid anything that connects to my phone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 25 points 3 years ago (1 child) Knowing LG it's probably updates to make it play Jingle Bells at Christmas time or something lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) Sounds like paywalling security updates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cashsky@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (2 children) Those pesky hackers turning off my washing machine when I'm trying to do laundry! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 14 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well, if your washing machine was connected to the internet you would also need security updates. Of course the only reason you'd connect your washing machine to the internet would be in order to get said security updates in the first place. Great job creating a need by developing the fix for it in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] joenforcer@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Alerts for when the washer finishes its cycle. Reminders on when to do a tub clean. More detail when certain errors or anomalies are detected. Additional wash cycles for special load/fabric types that don't fit on the dial.I have used the internet connection on my washer for all of these things and it has been very useful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemon@sowhois.gay 14 points 3 years ago My magical washing machine somehow knows how to do those things without an internet connection. permalink fedilink source parent [–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Potentially more serious than that. A poorly protected washing machine (or any other IOT device) can serve as an attack vector into your local network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 11 points 3 years ago (2 children) You're not wrong, but why the hell does a washing machine need to be Internet connected in the first place? And since the first answer is always "So it can tell me when the cycle is done," set a frickin timer if it's that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think maybe to turn in on remotely. Lets say you leave to work in the morning and you want to have your clothes washed and/or dried when you arrive from work, then you can turn it on remotely, but its still stupid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) My washer has a delay timer on it. Is that not a common option? I also have an option to start a small fan and spin the drum every few minutes, so it keeps wet clothes from getting mildewy. I use that every time, so I don't have nasty clothes when I inevitably forget to swap stuff into the dryer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Oh, nice. I didnt know those were an option permalink fedilink source parent [–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Oh I agree totally. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) Sounds like paywalling security updates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cashsky@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (2 children) Those pesky hackers turning off my washing machine when I'm trying to do laundry! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 14 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well, if your washing machine was connected to the internet you would also need security updates. Of course the only reason you'd connect your washing machine to the internet would be in order to get said security updates in the first place. Great job creating a need by developing the fix for it in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] joenforcer@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Alerts for when the washer finishes its cycle. Reminders on when to do a tub clean. More detail when certain errors or anomalies are detected. Additional wash cycles for special load/fabric types that don't fit on the dial.I have used the internet connection on my washer for all of these things and it has been very useful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemon@sowhois.gay 14 points 3 years ago My magical washing machine somehow knows how to do those things without an internet connection. permalink fedilink source parent [–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Potentially more serious than that. A poorly protected washing machine (or any other IOT device) can serve as an attack vector into your local network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 11 points 3 years ago (2 children) You're not wrong, but why the hell does a washing machine need to be Internet connected in the first place? And since the first answer is always "So it can tell me when the cycle is done," set a frickin timer if it's that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think maybe to turn in on remotely. Lets say you leave to work in the morning and you want to have your clothes washed and/or dried when you arrive from work, then you can turn it on remotely, but its still stupid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) My washer has a delay timer on it. Is that not a common option? I also have an option to start a small fan and spin the drum every few minutes, so it keeps wet clothes from getting mildewy. I use that every time, so I don't have nasty clothes when I inevitably forget to swap stuff into the dryer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Oh, nice. I didnt know those were an option permalink fedilink source parent [–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Oh I agree totally. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cashsky@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (2 children) Those pesky hackers turning off my washing machine when I'm trying to do laundry! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 14 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well, if your washing machine was connected to the internet you would also need security updates. Of course the only reason you'd connect your washing machine to the internet would be in order to get said security updates in the first place. Great job creating a need by developing the fix for it in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] joenforcer@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Alerts for when the washer finishes its cycle. Reminders on when to do a tub clean. More detail when certain errors or anomalies are detected. Additional wash cycles for special load/fabric types that don't fit on the dial.I have used the internet connection on my washer for all of these things and it has been very useful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemon@sowhois.gay 14 points 3 years ago My magical washing machine somehow knows how to do those things without an internet connection. permalink fedilink source parent [–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Potentially more serious than that. A poorly protected washing machine (or any other IOT device) can serve as an attack vector into your local network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 11 points 3 years ago (2 children) You're not wrong, but why the hell does a washing machine need to be Internet connected in the first place? And since the first answer is always "So it can tell me when the cycle is done," set a frickin timer if it's that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think maybe to turn in on remotely. Lets say you leave to work in the morning and you want to have your clothes washed and/or dried when you arrive from work, then you can turn it on remotely, but its still stupid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) My washer has a delay timer on it. Is that not a common option? I also have an option to start a small fan and spin the drum every few minutes, so it keeps wet clothes from getting mildewy. I use that every time, so I don't have nasty clothes when I inevitably forget to swap stuff into the dryer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Oh, nice. I didnt know those were an option permalink fedilink source parent [–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Oh I agree totally. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 14 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well, if your washing machine was connected to the internet you would also need security updates. Of course the only reason you'd connect your washing machine to the internet would be in order to get said security updates in the first place. Great job creating a need by developing the fix for it in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] joenforcer@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Alerts for when the washer finishes its cycle. Reminders on when to do a tub clean. More detail when certain errors or anomalies are detected. Additional wash cycles for special load/fabric types that don't fit on the dial.I have used the internet connection on my washer for all of these things and it has been very useful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemon@sowhois.gay 14 points 3 years ago My magical washing machine somehow knows how to do those things without an internet connection. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] joenforcer@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Alerts for when the washer finishes its cycle. Reminders on when to do a tub clean. More detail when certain errors or anomalies are detected. Additional wash cycles for special load/fabric types that don't fit on the dial.I have used the internet connection on my washer for all of these things and it has been very useful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemon@sowhois.gay 14 points 3 years ago My magical washing machine somehow knows how to do those things without an internet connection. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemon@sowhois.gay 14 points 3 years ago My magical washing machine somehow knows how to do those things without an internet connection. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Potentially more serious than that. A poorly protected washing machine (or any other IOT device) can serve as an attack vector into your local network. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 11 points 3 years ago (2 children) You're not wrong, but why the hell does a washing machine need to be Internet connected in the first place? And since the first answer is always "So it can tell me when the cycle is done," set a frickin timer if it's that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think maybe to turn in on remotely. Lets say you leave to work in the morning and you want to have your clothes washed and/or dried when you arrive from work, then you can turn it on remotely, but its still stupid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) My washer has a delay timer on it. Is that not a common option? I also have an option to start a small fan and spin the drum every few minutes, so it keeps wet clothes from getting mildewy. I use that every time, so I don't have nasty clothes when I inevitably forget to swap stuff into the dryer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Oh, nice. I didnt know those were an option permalink fedilink source parent [–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Oh I agree totally. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 11 points 3 years ago (2 children) You're not wrong, but why the hell does a washing machine need to be Internet connected in the first place? And since the first answer is always "So it can tell me when the cycle is done," set a frickin timer if it's that big of a deal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think maybe to turn in on remotely. Lets say you leave to work in the morning and you want to have your clothes washed and/or dried when you arrive from work, then you can turn it on remotely, but its still stupid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) My washer has a delay timer on it. Is that not a common option? I also have an option to start a small fan and spin the drum every few minutes, so it keeps wet clothes from getting mildewy. I use that every time, so I don't have nasty clothes when I inevitably forget to swap stuff into the dryer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Oh, nice. I didnt know those were an option permalink fedilink source parent [–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Oh I agree totally. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think maybe to turn in on remotely. Lets say you leave to work in the morning and you want to have your clothes washed and/or dried when you arrive from work, then you can turn it on remotely, but its still stupid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) My washer has a delay timer on it. Is that not a common option? I also have an option to start a small fan and spin the drum every few minutes, so it keeps wet clothes from getting mildewy. I use that every time, so I don't have nasty clothes when I inevitably forget to swap stuff into the dryer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Oh, nice. I didnt know those were an option permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UID_Zero@infosec.pub 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) My washer has a delay timer on it. Is that not a common option? I also have an option to start a small fan and spin the drum every few minutes, so it keeps wet clothes from getting mildewy. I use that every time, so I don't have nasty clothes when I inevitably forget to swap stuff into the dryer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Oh, nice. I didnt know those were an option permalink fedilink source parent
[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Oh, nice. I didnt know those were an option permalink fedilink source parent
[–] _wampa__stompa@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Oh I agree totally. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Clocksstriking13@lemm.ee 9 points 3 years ago (3 children) I think it's for "smart" washing machines that you can control from your phone etc. So that's likely what the "updates" would be related too...why you'd need to control your washing machine from afar is beyond me but some people love smart gadgets and will by anything that connects to their phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] thecodemonk@programming.dev 7 points 3 years ago I hate the make everything a smart appliance trend... Grills, washers and dryers, dishwashers, coffee machines... WHY? No one needs this shit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mayo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) There are cases for it, eg programming a wash to occur when energy demand is low. In my opinion we should be pursuing technologies to do this that don't require an internet connection. Even being able to program a schedule into the machine and it can detect if something is in there or not. That would be enough since energy usage follows a relatively consistent plot. These companies don't give a shit about anything other than coming up with ways to make more money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gork@lemm.ee 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) The cost of the laundry subscription is likely to vastly out cost the energy savings it may provide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Ya it's a shit idea to go subscription in any situation. You really do not need any kind of ongoing updates/subscription unless the product was built around a subscription model. If it can done mechanically on basic programmable outlets then it can be coded the same way. I would be fine buying a laundry machine, asking my utilities provider what time to run it, and then programming that into the machine manually. permalink fedilink source parent [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago Huh. I do my best to avoid anything that connects to my phone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thecodemonk@programming.dev 7 points 3 years ago I hate the make everything a smart appliance trend... Grills, washers and dryers, dishwashers, coffee machines... WHY? No one needs this shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mayo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) There are cases for it, eg programming a wash to occur when energy demand is low. In my opinion we should be pursuing technologies to do this that don't require an internet connection. Even being able to program a schedule into the machine and it can detect if something is in there or not. That would be enough since energy usage follows a relatively consistent plot. These companies don't give a shit about anything other than coming up with ways to make more money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gork@lemm.ee 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) The cost of the laundry subscription is likely to vastly out cost the energy savings it may provide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Ya it's a shit idea to go subscription in any situation. You really do not need any kind of ongoing updates/subscription unless the product was built around a subscription model. If it can done mechanically on basic programmable outlets then it can be coded the same way. I would be fine buying a laundry machine, asking my utilities provider what time to run it, and then programming that into the machine manually. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gork@lemm.ee 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) The cost of the laundry subscription is likely to vastly out cost the energy savings it may provide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Ya it's a shit idea to go subscription in any situation. You really do not need any kind of ongoing updates/subscription unless the product was built around a subscription model. If it can done mechanically on basic programmable outlets then it can be coded the same way. I would be fine buying a laundry machine, asking my utilities provider what time to run it, and then programming that into the machine manually. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mayo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Ya it's a shit idea to go subscription in any situation. You really do not need any kind of ongoing updates/subscription unless the product was built around a subscription model. If it can done mechanically on basic programmable outlets then it can be coded the same way. I would be fine buying a laundry machine, asking my utilities provider what time to run it, and then programming that into the machine manually. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago Huh. I do my best to avoid anything that connects to my phone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Perfide@reddthat.com 24 points 3 years ago (1 child) Fucking software updates for a washing machine? If my washing machine needs a software update, that should be a fucking recall. A washing machine should be a fully embedded system imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DrQuint@lemmy.world 19 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's updates for the cybersecurity that exists strictly only because it is connected to the internet which in turn is something that exists strictly only because there's software updates. Megaman Battle Network was prophetic. Terrorist will flood your house using a phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DarkMatter_contract@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* Why would anyone connect a washing machine to the internet??? To play Skyrim? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DrQuint@lemmy.world 19 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's updates for the cybersecurity that exists strictly only because it is connected to the internet which in turn is something that exists strictly only because there's software updates. Megaman Battle Network was prophetic. Terrorist will flood your house using a phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DarkMatter_contract@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* Why would anyone connect a washing machine to the internet??? To play Skyrim? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarkMatter_contract@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* Why would anyone connect a washing machine to the internet??? To play Skyrim? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Countsheep@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 years ago I hope this is rage bait because I can’t think of any reason a washing machine would ever need a software update. Is it like a smart machine? If so then just let me disable it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 19 points 3 years ago (2 children) what is the difference between a subscription and a never ending loan permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] luffyuk@lemmy.world 26 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) With a loan you actually receive money at the start. permalink fedilink source parent [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) A loan usually comes with full support and warranty service for the duration of the loan. With a subscription I bet you get to pay without receiving these benefits in return. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Well any manufacturer warranty would apply to the machine regardless of how you pay for it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] luffyuk@lemmy.world 26 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) With a loan you actually receive money at the start. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) A loan usually comes with full support and warranty service for the duration of the loan. With a subscription I bet you get to pay without receiving these benefits in return. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Well any manufacturer warranty would apply to the machine regardless of how you pay for it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Well any manufacturer warranty would apply to the machine regardless of how you pay for it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago Yeah. I think I'd rather employ someone to wash my clothes for me than pay a subscription permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moosetwin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago man the world is so fucked up that I was more surprised that they weren't already doing this permalink fedilink source parent
