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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Germany was never truly de-Nazified. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Seeing as some left to Argentina or were recruited by the US and the USSR for NASA, no they never were de-Nazified, they just wiped the blood off their name tags. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Yep, prominent Nazis were even given leadership of NATO, such as Adolf Heusinger. The Soviets ended up being far harsher to the Nazis, hence why so many fled to Latin America to get away. Makes sense, considering the absolute devastation the Nazis wrought on the Soviets and the 20 million Soviet lives the Nazis took, and how comparatively little the US saw, as the 2 major powers emerging from World War II. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children) "No you can't bring up that NATO had actual Nazis with blood on their hands as leaders! Especially ones that tried to make a new Waffen-SS in the 50s! That's unfair!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yep, people love to reflexively defend NATO, as it's very effectively pitched as merely a "defensive alliance" when it has always served as a coercive arm for the US to pressure its geopolitical adversaries, especially the Soviets, hence why they worked with the most effective anticommunists, the Nazis. If you don't play along with NATO, then they pull Operation Gladio on you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago And russian bots love to attack NATO because it prevents their dictator putin from conquering all previous USSR territories that became sovereign nations. NATO wouldn't be necessary if Russia stopped invading other countries. So you can blame putin for that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago Ah yes. The fallacy that europe rejects all media pointing to nazis being reintegrated into western structures. Completely niche idea that never seeped into the pop culture. The evil Nazi living in the west. Westerners just stick fingers into their ears and shout lalala each time they see this. Keep jerking yourself off with these arguments. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org [S] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) While this is absolutely true, I dont think, that this is the cause of the current uprise of facism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (3 children) Fascism is generally Capitalism's immune system as it declines, meant to violently root out leftist opposition as workers begin to protest their conditions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] gabbath@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm stealing that analogy, thank you very much. I'd generalize it a bit to say, fascism is the immune system of any system built on bad principles that's collapsing under the weight of its own internal contradictions. The obvious decay then creates a space psychos and grifters to pose as faux saviors and gain power by scamming people into something they pretend is a solution but is actually a death cult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago I think that's unique analysis, for sure, but I'd keep it to Capitalism. Historical movements recognized as fascist, such as Italian Fascism and Nazi Germany, arose specifically in decaying Capitalist economies where a millitant working class was growing, and the fascists slaughteted the Communists and Socialists. I recommend reading the first chapter of Blackshirts and Reds (though the whole book is fantastic). permalink fedilink source parent [–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org [S] 2 points 1 year ago This is absolutely true permalink fedilink source parent [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* Just like in russia, since 90s where turbo capitalism took over. Quick! Avert eyes! Deploy pivot arguments! Dont ever discuss this! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Willem20@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago That’s the thing: you can’t kill an idea by killing the man. The idea only dies with good education, proper social support, social cohesion and good (economic) prospects for the future. Same goes for Hamas IMO: try to kill as many soldiers as you can, the collateral damage among civilians breeds only the next soldier in line permalink fedilink source parent [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) When are you moving to russia? It is one of the most denazified countries in the world right now, after all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Surely they don't have a Neo-Nazi party office right now, right? No party called the AfD that does that? Surely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes. The exact same that cozies up to russia and praises United Russia politics. The same one. Avert your eyes to all evidence of taking russian blood money as well. Deploy another argument! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So AfD is a good party that isn't practicing the xenophobic and hateful policies of Neo-Nazis? Musk doesn't love them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* It is neo nazi party. So is United russia. Trump and Musk love both. Just like AFD loves russia. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago Ha good joke permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Seeing as some left to Argentina or were recruited by the US and the USSR for NASA, no they never were de-Nazified, they just wiped the blood off their name tags. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Yep, prominent Nazis were even given leadership of NATO, such as Adolf Heusinger. The Soviets ended up being far harsher to the Nazis, hence why so many fled to Latin America to get away. Makes sense, considering the absolute devastation the Nazis wrought on the Soviets and the 20 million Soviet lives the Nazis took, and how comparatively little the US saw, as the 2 major powers emerging from World War II. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children) "No you can't bring up that NATO had actual Nazis with blood on their hands as leaders! Especially ones that tried to make a new Waffen-SS in the 50s! That's unfair!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yep, people love to reflexively defend NATO, as it's very effectively pitched as merely a "defensive alliance" when it has always served as a coercive arm for the US to pressure its geopolitical adversaries, especially the Soviets, hence why they worked with the most effective anticommunists, the Nazis. If you don't play along with NATO, then they pull Operation Gladio on you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago And russian bots love to attack NATO because it prevents their dictator putin from conquering all previous USSR territories that became sovereign nations. NATO wouldn't be necessary if Russia stopped invading other countries. So you can blame putin for that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago Ah yes. The fallacy that europe rejects all media pointing to nazis being reintegrated into western structures. Completely niche idea that never seeped into the pop culture. The evil Nazi living in the west. Westerners just stick fingers into their ears and shout lalala each time they see this. Keep jerking yourself off with these arguments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Yep, prominent Nazis were even given leadership of NATO, such as Adolf Heusinger. The Soviets ended up being far harsher to the Nazis, hence why so many fled to Latin America to get away. Makes sense, considering the absolute devastation the Nazis wrought on the Soviets and the 20 million Soviet lives the Nazis took, and how comparatively little the US saw, as the 2 major powers emerging from World War II. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children) "No you can't bring up that NATO had actual Nazis with blood on their hands as leaders! Especially ones that tried to make a new Waffen-SS in the 50s! That's unfair!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yep, people love to reflexively defend NATO, as it's very effectively pitched as merely a "defensive alliance" when it has always served as a coercive arm for the US to pressure its geopolitical adversaries, especially the Soviets, hence why they worked with the most effective anticommunists, the Nazis. If you don't play along with NATO, then they pull Operation Gladio on you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago And russian bots love to attack NATO because it prevents their dictator putin from conquering all previous USSR territories that became sovereign nations. NATO wouldn't be necessary if Russia stopped invading other countries. So you can blame putin for that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago Ah yes. The fallacy that europe rejects all media pointing to nazis being reintegrated into western structures. Completely niche idea that never seeped into the pop culture. The evil Nazi living in the west. Westerners just stick fingers into their ears and shout lalala each time they see this. Keep jerking yourself off with these arguments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children) "No you can't bring up that NATO had actual Nazis with blood on their hands as leaders! Especially ones that tried to make a new Waffen-SS in the 50s! That's unfair!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yep, people love to reflexively defend NATO, as it's very effectively pitched as merely a "defensive alliance" when it has always served as a coercive arm for the US to pressure its geopolitical adversaries, especially the Soviets, hence why they worked with the most effective anticommunists, the Nazis. If you don't play along with NATO, then they pull Operation Gladio on you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago And russian bots love to attack NATO because it prevents their dictator putin from conquering all previous USSR territories that became sovereign nations. NATO wouldn't be necessary if Russia stopped invading other countries. So you can blame putin for that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago Ah yes. The fallacy that europe rejects all media pointing to nazis being reintegrated into western structures. Completely niche idea that never seeped into the pop culture. The evil Nazi living in the west. Westerners just stick fingers into their ears and shout lalala each time they see this. Keep jerking yourself off with these arguments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yep, people love to reflexively defend NATO, as it's very effectively pitched as merely a "defensive alliance" when it has always served as a coercive arm for the US to pressure its geopolitical adversaries, especially the Soviets, hence why they worked with the most effective anticommunists, the Nazis. If you don't play along with NATO, then they pull Operation Gladio on you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago And russian bots love to attack NATO because it prevents their dictator putin from conquering all previous USSR territories that became sovereign nations. NATO wouldn't be necessary if Russia stopped invading other countries. So you can blame putin for that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 year ago And russian bots love to attack NATO because it prevents their dictator putin from conquering all previous USSR territories that became sovereign nations. NATO wouldn't be necessary if Russia stopped invading other countries. So you can blame putin for that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago Ah yes. The fallacy that europe rejects all media pointing to nazis being reintegrated into western structures. Completely niche idea that never seeped into the pop culture. The evil Nazi living in the west. Westerners just stick fingers into their ears and shout lalala each time they see this. Keep jerking yourself off with these arguments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org [S] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) While this is absolutely true, I dont think, that this is the cause of the current uprise of facism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (3 children) Fascism is generally Capitalism's immune system as it declines, meant to violently root out leftist opposition as workers begin to protest their conditions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] gabbath@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm stealing that analogy, thank you very much. I'd generalize it a bit to say, fascism is the immune system of any system built on bad principles that's collapsing under the weight of its own internal contradictions. The obvious decay then creates a space psychos and grifters to pose as faux saviors and gain power by scamming people into something they pretend is a solution but is actually a death cult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago I think that's unique analysis, for sure, but I'd keep it to Capitalism. Historical movements recognized as fascist, such as Italian Fascism and Nazi Germany, arose specifically in decaying Capitalist economies where a millitant working class was growing, and the fascists slaughteted the Communists and Socialists. I recommend reading the first chapter of Blackshirts and Reds (though the whole book is fantastic). permalink fedilink source parent [–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org [S] 2 points 1 year ago This is absolutely true permalink fedilink source parent [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* Just like in russia, since 90s where turbo capitalism took over. Quick! Avert eyes! Deploy pivot arguments! Dont ever discuss this! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (3 children) Fascism is generally Capitalism's immune system as it declines, meant to violently root out leftist opposition as workers begin to protest their conditions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] gabbath@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm stealing that analogy, thank you very much. I'd generalize it a bit to say, fascism is the immune system of any system built on bad principles that's collapsing under the weight of its own internal contradictions. The obvious decay then creates a space psychos and grifters to pose as faux saviors and gain power by scamming people into something they pretend is a solution but is actually a death cult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago I think that's unique analysis, for sure, but I'd keep it to Capitalism. Historical movements recognized as fascist, such as Italian Fascism and Nazi Germany, arose specifically in decaying Capitalist economies where a millitant working class was growing, and the fascists slaughteted the Communists and Socialists. I recommend reading the first chapter of Blackshirts and Reds (though the whole book is fantastic). permalink fedilink source parent [–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org [S] 2 points 1 year ago This is absolutely true permalink fedilink source parent [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* Just like in russia, since 90s where turbo capitalism took over. Quick! Avert eyes! Deploy pivot arguments! Dont ever discuss this! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gabbath@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm stealing that analogy, thank you very much. I'd generalize it a bit to say, fascism is the immune system of any system built on bad principles that's collapsing under the weight of its own internal contradictions. The obvious decay then creates a space psychos and grifters to pose as faux saviors and gain power by scamming people into something they pretend is a solution but is actually a death cult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago I think that's unique analysis, for sure, but I'd keep it to Capitalism. Historical movements recognized as fascist, such as Italian Fascism and Nazi Germany, arose specifically in decaying Capitalist economies where a millitant working class was growing, and the fascists slaughteted the Communists and Socialists. I recommend reading the first chapter of Blackshirts and Reds (though the whole book is fantastic). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago I think that's unique analysis, for sure, but I'd keep it to Capitalism. Historical movements recognized as fascist, such as Italian Fascism and Nazi Germany, arose specifically in decaying Capitalist economies where a millitant working class was growing, and the fascists slaughteted the Communists and Socialists. I recommend reading the first chapter of Blackshirts and Reds (though the whole book is fantastic). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org [S] 2 points 1 year ago This is absolutely true permalink fedilink source parent
[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* Just like in russia, since 90s where turbo capitalism took over. Quick! Avert eyes! Deploy pivot arguments! Dont ever discuss this! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Willem20@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago That’s the thing: you can’t kill an idea by killing the man. The idea only dies with good education, proper social support, social cohesion and good (economic) prospects for the future. Same goes for Hamas IMO: try to kill as many soldiers as you can, the collateral damage among civilians breeds only the next soldier in line permalink fedilink source parent
[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) When are you moving to russia? It is one of the most denazified countries in the world right now, after all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Surely they don't have a Neo-Nazi party office right now, right? No party called the AfD that does that? Surely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes. The exact same that cozies up to russia and praises United Russia politics. The same one. Avert your eyes to all evidence of taking russian blood money as well. Deploy another argument! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So AfD is a good party that isn't practicing the xenophobic and hateful policies of Neo-Nazis? Musk doesn't love them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* It is neo nazi party. So is United russia. Trump and Musk love both. Just like AFD loves russia. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago Ha good joke permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Surely they don't have a Neo-Nazi party office right now, right? No party called the AfD that does that? Surely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes. The exact same that cozies up to russia and praises United Russia politics. The same one. Avert your eyes to all evidence of taking russian blood money as well. Deploy another argument! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So AfD is a good party that isn't practicing the xenophobic and hateful policies of Neo-Nazis? Musk doesn't love them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* It is neo nazi party. So is United russia. Trump and Musk love both. Just like AFD loves russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes. The exact same that cozies up to russia and praises United Russia politics. The same one. Avert your eyes to all evidence of taking russian blood money as well. Deploy another argument! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So AfD is a good party that isn't practicing the xenophobic and hateful policies of Neo-Nazis? Musk doesn't love them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* It is neo nazi party. So is United russia. Trump and Musk love both. Just like AFD loves russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So AfD is a good party that isn't practicing the xenophobic and hateful policies of Neo-Nazis? Musk doesn't love them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* It is neo nazi party. So is United russia. Trump and Musk love both. Just like AFD loves russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* It is neo nazi party. So is United russia. Trump and Musk love both. Just like AFD loves russia. permalink fedilink source parent
