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[+] -76 points 1 year ago (7 children)

NATO is a fascist organisation.
You Germs should know that since they incorporated plenty nazis in the organisation.

https://www.dispropaganda.com/single-post/2019/04/04/natos-secret-nazi-past

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ok Tankie.

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  • [+] -35 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    shouldn't you be beating up anti-genocide protesters while doing the Musk salute?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A tankie on .world? Funny

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  • [+] -18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We're having all the fun ridiculing all the fash and the lib enablers.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Good for you .world isn't as restrictive as the tankie triade

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Without meaning this as a defense of Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine: go check .world mod history, every other deleted comment is "Russian troll" or "disinformation" or equivalents. If you defend a policy of censoring points of view more charitative to Russia than western narratives be open about it, it's fine, just be aware that you're actually doing it

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What is fine about censorship and banning 'unwanted' news sources?
    People aren't allowed to make up their own mind?
    I have posted plenty of facts that got removed bcs it didn't fit the US narrative.
    There is plenty to say on the violent US instigated coup of 2014 and the horrible war commited by the Banderite regime for 8 years.
    Somehow the MSM didn't care and even whitewashed them later.
    Mentioning that is not 'Russian propaganda'.
    I don't like Putin, compareds to the US he is by far the lesser evil.
    People refuse to see the manufactured consent and almost totalitarian information control.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't defend the uncritical banning of non pro-western outlets or viewpoints carried out by .world mods, I'm asking them that if they ban comments for it, they should be open about it and admit that they will censor non-pro-western voices.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    OK, I agree.
    Even then, it's much worse on other social media where you getpermabanned for the slightest.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    While I agree, the discussion in other instances like .ml or hexbear is much more nuanced IMO (plenty of critical voices against Russia too, just not based on US State Dept. propaganda)

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago

    ironically that was the first instance I got banned from for not supporting the Banderites.
    And the same for hexbear when I pointed out ableism and how moronic it was to shit on "the boomers" and treat them as a monolith and smearing them all as Trumpers and cause of all problems.
    As if they didn't fight harder for civil rights and actually did something instead of the so-called moral high ground generations (factially voting massively more for right wing parties everywhere) being on the frontlines by changing their avatar, having a one day boycott of products or other low effort lukewarm virtue signaling BS.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Don't care, I'd rather live under the neolib European governments any day than a fascist Russian shithole. It's not even a difficult choice. It's not like there's some leftist utopia as an alternative. The neolibs don't murder gay people and don't decriminalize violence against women as a state policy.

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The neolibs don’t murder gay people and don’t decriminalize violence against women as a state policy. LOL where do you get your news from?

    That's the fascist Banderites you support.
    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/03/ukraine-activists-at-womens-solidarity-event-must-be-protected-from-attacks/

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'll take government failures to control their pigs over actually siccing the murder pigs on the protestors.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    NATO is liberal and that comes with all of the problems of liberals but in what ways has it functioned as a fascist organisation?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is another example of Schrödinger's NATO, where actions perpetrated by the USA is blamed on the entire organisation, yet NATO is a symbol of Western imperialism.

    Which is it? If all of NATO but the USA want one thing, and the USA overthrows your government, is it NATO's fault or rather the USA's? Are tankies blaming Iraq on NATO too?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    " if all of NATO but the USA want one thing"

    What are you talking about.
    NATO IS the USA, they decide and nobody else.
    The vasals will pay for it, provide assistance and get to take care of the millions of refugees caused by it while the US plunders the poor victim of the day's oil and resources.
    If you don't get that then it's hopeless.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If that were so all of NATO would have joined and supported the gulf wars and Afghanistan, which didnt happen. If that were also the case, the USA and Soviet empire wouldnt have stood against britain and france (both NATO members) in the suez crisis

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Without NATO, we're going back into the age of territorial conquests and nationalist revenge campaigns. Russia and China aren't the only countries where this crap is normalized (see Hungary - lot of my fellow Hungarians thinks Slovaks are just Hungarians forced to take up a Slavic language, and in reality they're just a lost tribe of Magyars called "the Tóths").

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    NATO is territorial conquest by the US.
    Europe are just vasals.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Name one agressive expansion of territory by nato.

    And no. The former occupied eastern europe countrys joining nato is not military expansion. They wanted to join and are still indipendent in everything they do

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago

    What do you consider 'expansion of territory '?
    That is an outdated concept.
    The US has used NATO to attack and control other countries without 'expansion'. That would be to obvious colonialism. They "intervene" (mass murder and destroy the brow people countries) then install their puppet like in Afghanistan.
    They use more sneaky regime change tactics in Europe.
    Ukraine was a good example, with the Nuland-Pyatt call telling them who should be president. (And "fuck the EU" OC)
    in Georgia they sure tried but failed.
    They are 'bodybags' combined with NATO weapons as Soros said in '93 explaining how NATO could destroy Russia (so peaceful). And no, there is no context.
    But if they have to they blatantly bomb cities and an embassy like Yugoslavia.
    The US blew up our Nordstream pipeline forcing us to buy their expensive gas and destroying our economy.
    Not one peep from our bootlicking EU leaders.
    That sure sounds like we're independent.
    And now the poodles complain they don't get respect? LOL

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    So did the warsaw packt and russia today even has them lead armys again. Your point?

    While not fully denazifying west germany didnt hide their identities and they were out right critisised. Especially when a former office nazi got elected chanclor (Kurt Kissinger). He even got hit and boohed in public. Behind the iron curtain they outright hid the nazis. Hired SS and Gestapo for the Stasi (unlike the west).

    I am comparing it because i know thats where you are going with your argument

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    While the Warhaw pact did have their own limited project paperclip it is a fact it was the west that fully incorporated the nazis into their regime.
    The point being they both were anti-communist.
    The west also helped escape 1000's of the worst SS nazi warcriminals (ukranians) and relocated them to Canada.
    What was their use?
    There is zero equivalence and you can't find more than some cherrypicked examples.
    To the Russians some could be used but were their enemies, unlike the west where they had plenty of fascist sympathisers in Europe or N America.
    https://ebeggin.substack.com/p/ratlines-nato-and-the-fourth-reich

    "and russia today even has them lead armys again"

    LOL is that your claim? Let me say it for you, Ill cherrypick Dimitry Utkin for you bcs because i know where you are going with your argument. A guy from a private militia who is in no way part of the Russian army, as events later made abundantly clear.
    You can find individual nazis in almost every country.
    Guess who those Russian nazis are fighting for?
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/03/04/russian-neo-nazi-hooligan-who-led-anti-putin-militia-across/

    Ukraine has multible openly fascist batalions like Azov, Sich, Tornado and plenty more.
    Where WW2 warcriminals are honored, etc...

    And let's not forget how the west now whitewashes the horrible Navalny, who organised the Russian marches before they were forbidden, a racist making videos of him shooting muslims that he called cockroaches.
    A disgusting criminal sold by the west as some brave hero fighting for democracy.
    As riculous as saying Azov are totally not nazis anymore bcs they changed their logo.
    If only Hitler would've done something to his swastika, he could've been a brave anti-commie fighter hero.

    You haven't got a leg to stand on.

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