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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 119 points 1 year ago (9 children) Sadly true. Fuck the CDU and AfD. Nazi helpers and Nazis. permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 1 year ago (11 children) SPD and Grüne are helping the rise of fascism too even if it's not on purpose. Die Linke are the only ones in parliament actually working against it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 34 points 1 year ago* (43 children) Wanting to leave NATO, withholding weapons from Ukraine and talking to Putin isn't exactly "working against" fascism. That's very much the Neville Chamberlain approach ... but even he came to his sense after the full scale invasion started. Can't say the same for die Linke. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 43 child comments load more comments (43 replies) [–] Terces@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) Bold statement. Do you have any examples? I would disagree, but maybe I just don't quite understand what you meant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 year ago (2 children) SPD is just standing by not doing anything (except being corrupt), basically silent complicity. The greens are also not clearly positioning themselves against the anti immigrant hatred, but they are still doing much better than the rest imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) I agree with you on the SPD, but Habeck was pretty fucking clear that Abschiebung is not the way to go. The Linke on the other hand seems great until you see their position on NATO, rearmament, Russia, and Ukraine... My dad literally voted for Volt instead of Grüne because "the Grüne was to positive about immigration" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I see peoples issues with the linke as largely unimportant. Having 9% of the seats taken by nato critical people is a healthy contra to the overwhelming majority that would never dare to criticize their sometimes criticism worthy decisions. If you never have anyone looking at things from an outside perspective the governement will lose touch with reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* Fair enough. While I myself wouldn't vote for them, I do agree that they are by no means evil. Their position certainly may even be valuable, I concede. I don't want my preferred party (the Grüne) to be the most radical left party, it's always good to have an even more left party to balance things out. We don't want to end up like the US, where even moderate things like universal healthcare are viewed as radical in the state. Democracy serves it's purpose. In other words: you've pretty much convinced me (though I would still vote Grüne). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Correctly but, me who is supporting both volt and grüne and even is joining volt in summer, but with volts goal of a united europe,...that seems pretty pro immigration. Not to mention also them wanting easier immigration. Does your dad know something i dont? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago It's just stigma against the Grüne; hypocrisy at its purest. In other words: I don't think he actually cares about immigration, he was just using it as a scapegoat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What should the SPD be doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) Behave like social democrats, push to fund infrastructure and school upgrades (instead of defunding them), not have a leading candidate that was involved with the biggest tax fraud scheme in recent history, etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I nisunderstood, I thought you were calling them to do something about AfD more directly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago The best way to fight fascism is with meaningful policy thay helps the working class. The best way to help it is proving that liberal democracy consists in getting to choose which party gets to enforce austerity this term permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Both parties, in an attempt to win back AFD voters, are doing more and more of their anti immigrant politics. If you watch any political debates on TV, most of what they talk about is just who wants to deport the most immigrants and who reduced immigration the most. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Terces@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Thanks for the clarification. I would even say that I mostly agree with the sentiment. Immigration has been a pointless discussion for years now and I think no party (except the AFD) actually profited from it. SPD and die Grünen have both failed to disspell the AFD narrative. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (9 replies) [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Did they make a coalition with the new nazi party? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bravesentry@feddit.org 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Even if they don´t officially, they might just push through all the right wing policies with the votes of AfD. The next weeks and months will show. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ok because the last I saw, there was a "firewall" to stop any coalitions with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Personally, I don't think even Merz is at the point just yet to outright create a coalition with them. However, that they did push a directive and try to push an actual law through parliament with AfD votes already is a sign of the direction things may end up going. Who knows, in a few months or years, there might just end up something happening like trouble in the most likely coming coalition of CDU/SPD, where the CDU just says they "had no choice" but to introduce a proto-fascist law that they and the AfD support, but the actual ruling coalition did not, resulting in legitimising them more and paving the way for an actual coalition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I hate to say it, but i expect your prediction is what is going to happen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tomi000@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Not yet, we will see in a few weeks permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago AfD has a guy called Helferich... A funny translation would be Helperling... I can imagine his role and his recap when they ruined Germany and Europe again. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies)
[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 1 year ago (11 children) SPD and Grüne are helping the rise of fascism too even if it's not on purpose. Die Linke are the only ones in parliament actually working against it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 34 points 1 year ago* (43 children) Wanting to leave NATO, withholding weapons from Ukraine and talking to Putin isn't exactly "working against" fascism. That's very much the Neville Chamberlain approach ... but even he came to his sense after the full scale invasion started. Can't say the same for die Linke. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 43 child comments load more comments (43 replies) [–] Terces@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) Bold statement. Do you have any examples? I would disagree, but maybe I just don't quite understand what you meant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 year ago (2 children) SPD is just standing by not doing anything (except being corrupt), basically silent complicity. The greens are also not clearly positioning themselves against the anti immigrant hatred, but they are still doing much better than the rest imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) I agree with you on the SPD, but Habeck was pretty fucking clear that Abschiebung is not the way to go. The Linke on the other hand seems great until you see their position on NATO, rearmament, Russia, and Ukraine... My dad literally voted for Volt instead of Grüne because "the Grüne was to positive about immigration" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I see peoples issues with the linke as largely unimportant. Having 9% of the seats taken by nato critical people is a healthy contra to the overwhelming majority that would never dare to criticize their sometimes criticism worthy decisions. If you never have anyone looking at things from an outside perspective the governement will lose touch with reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* Fair enough. While I myself wouldn't vote for them, I do agree that they are by no means evil. Their position certainly may even be valuable, I concede. I don't want my preferred party (the Grüne) to be the most radical left party, it's always good to have an even more left party to balance things out. We don't want to end up like the US, where even moderate things like universal healthcare are viewed as radical in the state. Democracy serves it's purpose. In other words: you've pretty much convinced me (though I would still vote Grüne). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Correctly but, me who is supporting both volt and grüne and even is joining volt in summer, but with volts goal of a united europe,...that seems pretty pro immigration. Not to mention also them wanting easier immigration. Does your dad know something i dont? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago It's just stigma against the Grüne; hypocrisy at its purest. In other words: I don't think he actually cares about immigration, he was just using it as a scapegoat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What should the SPD be doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) Behave like social democrats, push to fund infrastructure and school upgrades (instead of defunding them), not have a leading candidate that was involved with the biggest tax fraud scheme in recent history, etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I nisunderstood, I thought you were calling them to do something about AfD more directly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago The best way to fight fascism is with meaningful policy thay helps the working class. The best way to help it is proving that liberal democracy consists in getting to choose which party gets to enforce austerity this term permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Both parties, in an attempt to win back AFD voters, are doing more and more of their anti immigrant politics. If you watch any political debates on TV, most of what they talk about is just who wants to deport the most immigrants and who reduced immigration the most. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Terces@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Thanks for the clarification. I would even say that I mostly agree with the sentiment. Immigration has been a pointless discussion for years now and I think no party (except the AFD) actually profited from it. SPD and die Grünen have both failed to disspell the AFD narrative. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (9 replies)
[–] remon@ani.social 34 points 1 year ago* (43 children) Wanting to leave NATO, withholding weapons from Ukraine and talking to Putin isn't exactly "working against" fascism. That's very much the Neville Chamberlain approach ... but even he came to his sense after the full scale invasion started. Can't say the same for die Linke. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 43 child comments load more comments (43 replies)
[–] Terces@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) Bold statement. Do you have any examples? I would disagree, but maybe I just don't quite understand what you meant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 year ago (2 children) SPD is just standing by not doing anything (except being corrupt), basically silent complicity. The greens are also not clearly positioning themselves against the anti immigrant hatred, but they are still doing much better than the rest imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) I agree with you on the SPD, but Habeck was pretty fucking clear that Abschiebung is not the way to go. The Linke on the other hand seems great until you see their position on NATO, rearmament, Russia, and Ukraine... My dad literally voted for Volt instead of Grüne because "the Grüne was to positive about immigration" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I see peoples issues with the linke as largely unimportant. Having 9% of the seats taken by nato critical people is a healthy contra to the overwhelming majority that would never dare to criticize their sometimes criticism worthy decisions. If you never have anyone looking at things from an outside perspective the governement will lose touch with reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* Fair enough. While I myself wouldn't vote for them, I do agree that they are by no means evil. Their position certainly may even be valuable, I concede. I don't want my preferred party (the Grüne) to be the most radical left party, it's always good to have an even more left party to balance things out. We don't want to end up like the US, where even moderate things like universal healthcare are viewed as radical in the state. Democracy serves it's purpose. In other words: you've pretty much convinced me (though I would still vote Grüne). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Correctly but, me who is supporting both volt and grüne and even is joining volt in summer, but with volts goal of a united europe,...that seems pretty pro immigration. Not to mention also them wanting easier immigration. Does your dad know something i dont? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago It's just stigma against the Grüne; hypocrisy at its purest. In other words: I don't think he actually cares about immigration, he was just using it as a scapegoat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What should the SPD be doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) Behave like social democrats, push to fund infrastructure and school upgrades (instead of defunding them), not have a leading candidate that was involved with the biggest tax fraud scheme in recent history, etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I nisunderstood, I thought you were calling them to do something about AfD more directly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago The best way to fight fascism is with meaningful policy thay helps the working class. The best way to help it is proving that liberal democracy consists in getting to choose which party gets to enforce austerity this term permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Both parties, in an attempt to win back AFD voters, are doing more and more of their anti immigrant politics. If you watch any political debates on TV, most of what they talk about is just who wants to deport the most immigrants and who reduced immigration the most. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Terces@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Thanks for the clarification. I would even say that I mostly agree with the sentiment. Immigration has been a pointless discussion for years now and I think no party (except the AFD) actually profited from it. SPD and die Grünen have both failed to disspell the AFD narrative. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 year ago (2 children) SPD is just standing by not doing anything (except being corrupt), basically silent complicity. The greens are also not clearly positioning themselves against the anti immigrant hatred, but they are still doing much better than the rest imo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) I agree with you on the SPD, but Habeck was pretty fucking clear that Abschiebung is not the way to go. The Linke on the other hand seems great until you see their position on NATO, rearmament, Russia, and Ukraine... My dad literally voted for Volt instead of Grüne because "the Grüne was to positive about immigration" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I see peoples issues with the linke as largely unimportant. Having 9% of the seats taken by nato critical people is a healthy contra to the overwhelming majority that would never dare to criticize their sometimes criticism worthy decisions. If you never have anyone looking at things from an outside perspective the governement will lose touch with reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* Fair enough. While I myself wouldn't vote for them, I do agree that they are by no means evil. Their position certainly may even be valuable, I concede. I don't want my preferred party (the Grüne) to be the most radical left party, it's always good to have an even more left party to balance things out. We don't want to end up like the US, where even moderate things like universal healthcare are viewed as radical in the state. Democracy serves it's purpose. In other words: you've pretty much convinced me (though I would still vote Grüne). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Correctly but, me who is supporting both volt and grüne and even is joining volt in summer, but with volts goal of a united europe,...that seems pretty pro immigration. Not to mention also them wanting easier immigration. Does your dad know something i dont? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago It's just stigma against the Grüne; hypocrisy at its purest. In other words: I don't think he actually cares about immigration, he was just using it as a scapegoat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What should the SPD be doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) Behave like social democrats, push to fund infrastructure and school upgrades (instead of defunding them), not have a leading candidate that was involved with the biggest tax fraud scheme in recent history, etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I nisunderstood, I thought you were calling them to do something about AfD more directly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago The best way to fight fascism is with meaningful policy thay helps the working class. The best way to help it is proving that liberal democracy consists in getting to choose which party gets to enforce austerity this term permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children) I agree with you on the SPD, but Habeck was pretty fucking clear that Abschiebung is not the way to go. The Linke on the other hand seems great until you see their position on NATO, rearmament, Russia, and Ukraine... My dad literally voted for Volt instead of Grüne because "the Grüne was to positive about immigration" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I see peoples issues with the linke as largely unimportant. Having 9% of the seats taken by nato critical people is a healthy contra to the overwhelming majority that would never dare to criticize their sometimes criticism worthy decisions. If you never have anyone looking at things from an outside perspective the governement will lose touch with reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* Fair enough. While I myself wouldn't vote for them, I do agree that they are by no means evil. Their position certainly may even be valuable, I concede. I don't want my preferred party (the Grüne) to be the most radical left party, it's always good to have an even more left party to balance things out. We don't want to end up like the US, where even moderate things like universal healthcare are viewed as radical in the state. Democracy serves it's purpose. In other words: you've pretty much convinced me (though I would still vote Grüne). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Correctly but, me who is supporting both volt and grüne and even is joining volt in summer, but with volts goal of a united europe,...that seems pretty pro immigration. Not to mention also them wanting easier immigration. Does your dad know something i dont? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago It's just stigma against the Grüne; hypocrisy at its purest. In other words: I don't think he actually cares about immigration, he was just using it as a scapegoat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I see peoples issues with the linke as largely unimportant. Having 9% of the seats taken by nato critical people is a healthy contra to the overwhelming majority that would never dare to criticize their sometimes criticism worthy decisions. If you never have anyone looking at things from an outside perspective the governement will lose touch with reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* Fair enough. While I myself wouldn't vote for them, I do agree that they are by no means evil. Their position certainly may even be valuable, I concede. I don't want my preferred party (the Grüne) to be the most radical left party, it's always good to have an even more left party to balance things out. We don't want to end up like the US, where even moderate things like universal healthcare are viewed as radical in the state. Democracy serves it's purpose. In other words: you've pretty much convinced me (though I would still vote Grüne). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* Fair enough. While I myself wouldn't vote for them, I do agree that they are by no means evil. Their position certainly may even be valuable, I concede. I don't want my preferred party (the Grüne) to be the most radical left party, it's always good to have an even more left party to balance things out. We don't want to end up like the US, where even moderate things like universal healthcare are viewed as radical in the state. Democracy serves it's purpose. In other words: you've pretty much convinced me (though I would still vote Grüne). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Correctly but, me who is supporting both volt and grüne and even is joining volt in summer, but with volts goal of a united europe,...that seems pretty pro immigration. Not to mention also them wanting easier immigration. Does your dad know something i dont? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago It's just stigma against the Grüne; hypocrisy at its purest. In other words: I don't think he actually cares about immigration, he was just using it as a scapegoat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago It's just stigma against the Grüne; hypocrisy at its purest. In other words: I don't think he actually cares about immigration, he was just using it as a scapegoat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What should the SPD be doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) Behave like social democrats, push to fund infrastructure and school upgrades (instead of defunding them), not have a leading candidate that was involved with the biggest tax fraud scheme in recent history, etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I nisunderstood, I thought you were calling them to do something about AfD more directly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago The best way to fight fascism is with meaningful policy thay helps the working class. The best way to help it is proving that liberal democracy consists in getting to choose which party gets to enforce austerity this term permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) Behave like social democrats, push to fund infrastructure and school upgrades (instead of defunding them), not have a leading candidate that was involved with the biggest tax fraud scheme in recent history, etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I nisunderstood, I thought you were calling them to do something about AfD more directly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago The best way to fight fascism is with meaningful policy thay helps the working class. The best way to help it is proving that liberal democracy consists in getting to choose which party gets to enforce austerity this term permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I nisunderstood, I thought you were calling them to do something about AfD more directly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago The best way to fight fascism is with meaningful policy thay helps the working class. The best way to help it is proving that liberal democracy consists in getting to choose which party gets to enforce austerity this term permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago The best way to fight fascism is with meaningful policy thay helps the working class. The best way to help it is proving that liberal democracy consists in getting to choose which party gets to enforce austerity this term permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Both parties, in an attempt to win back AFD voters, are doing more and more of their anti immigrant politics. If you watch any political debates on TV, most of what they talk about is just who wants to deport the most immigrants and who reduced immigration the most. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Terces@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Thanks for the clarification. I would even say that I mostly agree with the sentiment. Immigration has been a pointless discussion for years now and I think no party (except the AFD) actually profited from it. SPD and die Grünen have both failed to disspell the AFD narrative. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Terces@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Thanks for the clarification. I would even say that I mostly agree with the sentiment. Immigration has been a pointless discussion for years now and I think no party (except the AFD) actually profited from it. SPD and die Grünen have both failed to disspell the AFD narrative. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) Did they make a coalition with the new nazi party? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bravesentry@feddit.org 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Even if they don´t officially, they might just push through all the right wing policies with the votes of AfD. The next weeks and months will show. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ok because the last I saw, there was a "firewall" to stop any coalitions with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Personally, I don't think even Merz is at the point just yet to outright create a coalition with them. However, that they did push a directive and try to push an actual law through parliament with AfD votes already is a sign of the direction things may end up going. Who knows, in a few months or years, there might just end up something happening like trouble in the most likely coming coalition of CDU/SPD, where the CDU just says they "had no choice" but to introduce a proto-fascist law that they and the AfD support, but the actual ruling coalition did not, resulting in legitimising them more and paving the way for an actual coalition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I hate to say it, but i expect your prediction is what is going to happen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tomi000@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Not yet, we will see in a few weeks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bravesentry@feddit.org 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Even if they don´t officially, they might just push through all the right wing policies with the votes of AfD. The next weeks and months will show. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ok because the last I saw, there was a "firewall" to stop any coalitions with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Personally, I don't think even Merz is at the point just yet to outright create a coalition with them. However, that they did push a directive and try to push an actual law through parliament with AfD votes already is a sign of the direction things may end up going. Who knows, in a few months or years, there might just end up something happening like trouble in the most likely coming coalition of CDU/SPD, where the CDU just says they "had no choice" but to introduce a proto-fascist law that they and the AfD support, but the actual ruling coalition did not, resulting in legitimising them more and paving the way for an actual coalition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I hate to say it, but i expect your prediction is what is going to happen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ok because the last I saw, there was a "firewall" to stop any coalitions with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Personally, I don't think even Merz is at the point just yet to outright create a coalition with them. However, that they did push a directive and try to push an actual law through parliament with AfD votes already is a sign of the direction things may end up going. Who knows, in a few months or years, there might just end up something happening like trouble in the most likely coming coalition of CDU/SPD, where the CDU just says they "had no choice" but to introduce a proto-fascist law that they and the AfD support, but the actual ruling coalition did not, resulting in legitimising them more and paving the way for an actual coalition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I hate to say it, but i expect your prediction is what is going to happen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Personally, I don't think even Merz is at the point just yet to outright create a coalition with them. However, that they did push a directive and try to push an actual law through parliament with AfD votes already is a sign of the direction things may end up going. Who knows, in a few months or years, there might just end up something happening like trouble in the most likely coming coalition of CDU/SPD, where the CDU just says they "had no choice" but to introduce a proto-fascist law that they and the AfD support, but the actual ruling coalition did not, resulting in legitimising them more and paving the way for an actual coalition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I hate to say it, but i expect your prediction is what is going to happen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago I hate to say it, but i expect your prediction is what is going to happen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Not yet, we will see in a few weeks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago AfD has a guy called Helferich... A funny translation would be Helperling... I can imagine his role and his recap when they ruined Germany and Europe again. permalink fedilink source parent
