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Turn the logic around (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
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"He who saves his Country does not violate any Law," Trump, a Republican, proclaimed on his Truth Social network. The White House did not respond to a request for more details.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-if-it-saves-country-its-not-illegal-2025-02-16/

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[+] -59 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Please tell me why this guy is your hero? I really do not understand why he's in that position after a murder. He even shot him in the back, cowardly so. You want to make a point, write a letter. Killing of a human being is not something that should be used to protest a bad decision on your health care ffs. Are you saying this is the way we should deal with matters like this?

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  • [–] [S] 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    We need to recognise social murder as murder.

    Thousands of people die preventable deaths every day because of health insurance not covering basic measures, but people online spend more effort defending the life of one CEO, than those millions of cumulative deaths.

    The unheard pleas and screams for help of millions of people are being ignored so a couple rich people can uphold their hierarchy. It’s inevitable that some of the oppressed people will crack, here it was Luigi, a rich and privileged kid, who couldn’t deal with the sort of stuff poor disabled and marginalised folk deal with every day.

    But yet we also see him as a sort of symbol, standing for the collective pain we have felt, the relatives and friends who have died preventable deaths, someone who stood up and sent a message to the people causing so much suffering.

    Most won’t agree with how he did it, and that’s okay, but you’ve got to admit, your “letter” comparison doesn’t make sense. He could have sent a letter, and it would have been ignored, just like the millions of pleas for help were.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago*

    I agree that the current health care system of USA is basically killing people that wouldn’t need to die.

    I even think, the person above agrees to that, but in many countries, the culture isn’t “this person killed xx now we have to kill the killer out of revenge!” But, “ this person killed xx now we need to think how to protect society from more killing!”

    So that is what the person above is pointing out: One person shooting one other person changes exactly nothing. For real change, there is need of organisation, agreement within the organisation on what goals , a plan for future, targeted actions like strikes, demonstrations , residence to Oppression, etc.

    Maybe don’t give them a good reason to enable military, only on last resort, but before that, all Americans should just stop working at the same time and all demand the same. Prepare the list beforehand.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    You think shooting someone in the back is cowardly? Imagine the kind of person who would do it from behind a desk, never even seeing their millions of victims.

    THAT'S cowardice. Luigi is one of the bravest people on the planet.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    ah yes, writing a letter. just like the millions of people that UHC murdered wrote letters to.

    UHC and many other health insurance companies in the US will and do let people die in order to keep profits. Brian Thompson was complicit in this process. His murder is fully justified.

    I don't want a future where murder and violence is the only way to bring issues to light, but when governments, regulations, and other protections fail us, people get desperate. They are left with no other choice.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I admit I'm not aware of the problems in the US specifically related to insurance claims being refused. Links to actual cases would be nice. It's just that where are we going to stop? A gate has been opened and now maybe someone is plotting to execute some oil exec. because of the price of gasoline, or the price of food, high taxes... it kind of creeps me out that many people arrive to your conclusion in todays society; where we expect to be safe from exactly that sort of thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Oh there is a very good chance that most oil and food execs have done MUCH more evil than just overcharging.

    Execs for either have a pretty good chance of being responsible for mass death and disease. Their victims might just not be in Western, 1st world countries.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You want to make a point, write a letter.

    You are incredibly naïve

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Taken in the context I wrote it without further info was indeed naive. See other comments for clarity.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    a bad decision on your health care

    Somebody literally decided to let Luigi live in pain.

    Those somebodies also decide that live saving treatment is out of scope because they want a bigger bonus.

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