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"Today"= 18 Months Ago (lemmy.world)
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[+] -30 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Hear me out, people who belong to this stupid label "the right" can also hold those values. Shocking, isn't it? I'll even out myself as one of those morally apprehensive people of this homogeneous group, which is the exact opposite to the homogeneous group "the left" (because you're either or, of course), ""the* right". But I still hold the same values as Linus mentions.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Bro, idk how you are still Right-Wing then. What are these Right-Wing values that you hold?

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  • [+] -34 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    If you're seriously honest when asking that then you should really look up some political ideologies. I'd also recommend not hyper focusing on the US and US politics.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You either dont believe in these things or you're not as right as you think you are.

    Maybe I'm not understanding. You're a right wing person that recommends we dont look at right wingers in the US for reference? I guess I just start at Nazi then?

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  • [+] -14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I'm recommending everyone to not look at the US as a reference for a sane and nuanced political system. In Europe we're generally not A or B, although you can definitely say you're left or right you don't have to be either the left or the right.

    I hold values which are generally right leaning, as well as left. But overall I vote blue, not red (which would be the other way around in the US, for whatever reason).

    If you look at the strong right party Kristdemokraterna in Sweden you'll find that they support Swedens current abortion laws, which allows for it. Even though they're strongly for traditional family values and overall a strong right political ideology.

    In contrast, the Swedish Vänsterpartiet (literally the left party) with roots in communism, have voted the same way as the far right party Sverigedemokraterna with its roots in nazism and white supremacy. (Just to clarify, Sweden does not only have these two "extremes". The Riksdag has a total of 8 parties as of today.)

    Things are more nuanced outside of US politics. I know what beliefs I hold and live by. I don't necessarily think those should be put into law (I support the liberty for women to chose whether to abort or not. If I were put in the situation that my wife got unexpectedly pregnant, I would never support aborting.)

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ah, not a piece of confusion here, the US is a good example of when people with right leaning views actually have control the government, there is no left to compare to.

    Also, am I reading that you wouldn't support your wife's right to choose an abortion? But do you support her decision to choose, which is what I read the current laws states?

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    I support women's liberty to choose. My personal belief is that abortions are immoral and should be avoided.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    These 2 sentences are in direct opposition.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I disagree with him but I don't think those are contradictory. A watered down example: I don't like hot dogs in my macaroni, but I respect other people's right to have them. If you ask me if I want them I'll say no, but I won't tell you not to.
    A more ethics one than preference: I think it's wrong to cheat on a romantic partner. It's a bad thing to do and people shouldn't do it. However, I would staunchly oppose a law that said people couldn't. People should have the freedom to do the wrong thing as suits them (boundaries and edge cases not withstanding).

    People respecting that other people may have opposing beliefs about how to act and respecting that is what we want, not homogeneous beliefs.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Everyone hates abortion. It is a last resort for a woman who does not want to give birth to a child. The people who claim to be pro-life, at least where I live, want to stop sexual education in schools and limit the availability of birth control. This results in more abortions.

    There is nothing in the world that could shake my belief that abortion is not morally wrong, and I support any woman's right to choose. At the same time I think abortion is terrible and should be avoided except as a last resort. These beliefs are not incompatible.

    People on the right attempt to poison the discussion by painting those who choose abortion as people who use it as birth control. Like they have abortions for the fun of it. They lie about the existence of partial birth abortions. They lie that the matter removed in an abortion is a thinking, feeling human life. My wife has had an abortion as has my best friend's wife. These were horrible, expensive, emotional experiences. They should be avoided at all cost, yet they are still morally correct.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Brazil has a decent political diversity on paper, but the right here is pretty much a copy of the USA right, who mainly defend the interest of the rich (basically they're all in favor of destroying the environment for profit, privatizing health and other public services, "defending" family values, anti abortion, pro "free speech", voting en masse to increase their own salaries and being USA's obedient little bitch). The "center" parties are pure mercenaries and, when not bought by any one side, will ally with the right.

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  • [+] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    It's deontological ethics vs keynesian ethics I think. That's why the left and right accuse each other for being based more in emotion than reason. Because from each's perspective, the other is doing something objectively wrong, when they have different moral systems in the first place.

    Having said that, I prefer to value the well-being of people, over some archaic devotion to a piece of land, or letting humanity go extinct so that we can respect the rules of some weird game I didn't sign up for called "who grabs land first".

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  • [+] -17 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    When you boil it down, being right wing means you value freedom and being left wing means you value making others work for you.

    You can boil it down to whatever punchline you wish.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    No, right auth is when you prefer hierarchy. Left auth is bureaucracy. Left and right is how much you think capital is a commodity.

    Personally, I'm market socialist so I believe that workers should directly own their labor thru worker cooperatives. Right winger believe that owning capital indefinitely is their right which only leads to capital accural and oligarchy.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If you think you're on "the right" and are not advocating actively and persistently for Trump's removal from office, you're a fucking useless moron.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Thanks! I'm actually European, but it seems that a lot of people here on Lemmy forget that there exists other places than the USA and US politics. Being not-American I don't actively focus on the US, but actually what happens on my continent, my country, my county and my municipality.

    (No, I do not endorse Trump. I hope he's replaced soon.)

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    You must recognize that Trump will affect you personally. The US influence is vast. At the very least, some European politicians will try to emulate Trump's success, to the detriment of everyone they represent if they are successful.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Of course there's a spectrum. In the US, the spectrum only applies to the populace, though, as the politicians themselves are behaving so polarized that there only exists "the right" (far-right culture warriors) and "the left" (center-right with lip service to the left).

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