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[–] 110 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Notice how the state of Israel has nothing to say about this?

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  • [–] 92 points 2 years ago (3 children)
  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yeah, but other than one of the largest Jewish advocacy groups who else is defending him? What would the ADL know about antisemitism anyway?

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Are you saying we shouldn't believe our lying eyes? It was a Nazi salute and the emperor has no clothes.

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  • [+] -54 points 2 years ago (6 children)
  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Show the the two in video form and let's compare, troll.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's almost like nobody has seen the actual video and if they have, they're intentionally misrepresenting what she did.

    Source of the bullshit appears to be this:

    https://x.com/emilyraustin/status/1882164579020759417

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  • [+] -64 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Yeah... this and other organizations concluded that he didn't perform a nazi salute.... so what's the deal? Why are so many sources still saying he did nazi salute?

    Right after he did that, he said, "My heart goes out to you." And later denied again.

    Why such a smear campaign?

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    You really have to be fucking brainwashed to believe that shit. HE DID IT TWICE IN A ROW THE EXACT SAME WAY

    Not only did he do it twice in a row the same exact way, but he did a Nazi salute in the exact same manner as Adolf Hitler did and modern neo-nazis do. Zero chance that it was a mistake, it was obviously intentional.

    No one can tell me that my eyes didn't see a Nazi salute when they did see it as plain as day.

    What's REALLY fucked up is that people like you are still defending a Nazi salute. You are a Nazi apologist.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Tell me.... why would he intentionally do a nazi salute? For what purpose? To secretly identify himself as a nazi? But it wasn't secretly at all...

    He even later denied it was a nazi salute... so... wtf?!?!

    Why are you people so crazy about this issue?

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xDyPSKLy5E4&t=120s&pp=ygUZZWxvbiBtdXNrIEhpdGxlciBwcm9ibGVtIA%3D%3D

    Just FYI. Also, notice the date. It's 10 months old and they updated the thumbnail because of how obviously correct they were. Elon Musk was born white and rich in apartheid era south Africa. His family migrated there from Canada after ww2 specifically because the race dynamics at the time. He openly touts blatantly eugenic ideology, fathers 12 children and freezes his sperm because of that ideology. Him doing a nazi salute and making nazi jokes in the aftermath is him just waving his dick around because he knows there's an army of fucking empty headed dumb fucks that will defend him.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Because most people learned the fucking lesson that there is ZERO justification. Inexcusable even as a mistake for someone in that position no matter how he got there, and inexcusable to dismiss it.

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  • [+] -25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Because most people learned the fucking lesson that there is ZERO justification.

    What "lesson"? So, even if unintentional, any salute even similar to the nazi salute should call for condemnation?

    The mainstream media are pushing this hard as hell, just raking Elon over the coals.

    So many here have lost the plot

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Do you have a source for him denying it?

    I saw lots of deflection and incredulity at "liberals" who thought it was a Nazi salute, but I didn't actually see any denial.

    He won't deny it. Not because he's not willing to lie, but because he's actively courting the support of Nazis.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    That (nazi salute) isn't antisemitic at all!

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    For fuck sake.

    My point was that while Independent Jewish leaders are calling for the boycott. The State of Israel on the other hand, is holding hands up with Trump like a tag team.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm pretty sure they understood your point... not sure you got theirs.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    you want to just spell it out for me so I dont have to guess at what's being insenuated and cause more pointless back and forth argument comments?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    His post was emulating the excuse people use when they are trying to deflect away from something obviously bad. The state of Israel will refuse to say that what Elon did was antisemitic or an actual Nazi salute. They will talk around the subject and say it wasn't ACTUALLY the Nazi salute, just him being exuberant in the moment. Or they will point out that the salute was around in Roman times and isn't actually an antisemitic salute even though Hitler used it, just like people will point out that the swastika is an ancient symbol from Hinduism so it also isn't antisemitic.

    He was agreeing with you, basically.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    You’re right, it isn’t!

    Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism. In fact, I’m pretty sure it is in direct OPPOSITION to Judaism, if you follow the fundamentals.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    For a religion this old, you will find a lot of people with different ideas about the "fundamentals". There is a lot of Jewish scholars that reject Zionism and in particular in the beginning of the Zionist movement it was strongly opposed by religious scholars. They had to work quite extensively to create a "new understanding" of how to mix Zionism with Judaism, which over the time led to there now being particularly extreme Zionists, who claim to base it off of Judaism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism#Early_Jewish_anti-Zionism

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Help me understand your point, pls. I wasn't talking about zionism nor judaism. Plain nazism. Which killed millions of jews, equalling antisemitism. Especially nowadays when any statement is lightly attributed to antisemitism, a nazi salute could qualify as?

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