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Same mfs who said anyone who protrayed China and the CPC in a Positive Light is a CPC Spy/Paid Shill (lemmygrad.ml)
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[–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Not even the UN report called it genocide.

Could things be better? Probably, but shouldn’t Muslim-majority countries be speaking out if there was actual genocide? The fact that they’re defending China instead speaks volumes.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What do you mean "not even the un report"? Like you understand that China is a permanent member of the security Council and one of the most influential (and whiny) members of the organisation. Like would you assume Israel is innocent because the UN havnt called their actions in Palestine a genocide? And there was an independent investigation that did conclude China was commiting genocide by way of forced sterilisation and population control.

    but shouldn’t Muslim-majority countries be speaking out if there was actual genocide?

    Yes they should be if we assume them caring about fellow Muslims is there top, sincere priority, instead of idk securing a better trading relationship with the superpower that funds them instead of bombing them, but if that was a case they would speak out against Iran for what its doing to its citizens after the protests, or any other totalitarian leader of a Muslim country, yet they don't.

    Like even if you do deny it being a genocide, there is undeniable evidence that hundreds of thousands of uyghurs have been detained in the "re-education" camps and Iran doesn't care about that either. Do you think they would be equally silent if a western country started to detain all its Muslims?

    There is a good article about it here if you care to read western news articles that is

    https://thediplomat.com/2018/09/irans-careful-approach-to-chinas-uyghur-crackdown/

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Like would you assume Israel is innocent because the UN havnt [sic] called their actions in Palestine a genocide?

    When did I say “innocent”? Your allegation is “genocide,” which has a very high standard of proof, because of what that entails.

    There’s also a world of difference between remaining silent to keep everyone happy and actively defending China’s policies

    Your article straight up says it’s the U.S. making that conclusion…

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Okay breaking out the pedantry to avoid answering a question. Standard tankie tactic.

    Yes or no question. Do you think Israel is commiting genocide in Palestine? If yes, do you think the fact the UN does not consider it a genocide means that it is defacto not genocide?

    Okay? The explanation is still the same. Like you're deadass trying to argue that becausethe ruthless dictator that has put his own citizens to death for wanting basic freedoms is brown nosing their largest trading partner, means there's no genocide happening.

    Like there are people in those countries that are vocally anti-china because of the genocide. They're just the ones that aren't on China's payroll.

    And you ignore my point about the internment of Muslims being a fact that China does not dent. So why would Muslim leaders not care about that? If not for the fact that they have political reasons to be on China's good side?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes or no question. Do you think Israel is commiting [sic] genocide in Palestine?

    I don’t know enough about that conflict to allege genocide. I do think Israel should stop occupying the West Bank and Gaza Strip at the bare minimum though. I think alleging genocide is a very serious matter, as it downplays the Holocaust if alleged to something that isn’t.

    put his own citizens to death for wanting basic freedoms

    I wasn’t talking about the U.S.

    I don’t intend to praise any actual atrocities — if the allegations in the UN report are true, those things should be condemned. I don’t remember reading in the UN report about that happening though, so please provide a source.

    So why would Muslim leaders not care about that?

    Maybe they genuinely do believe the “re-education” camps are actually a net positive.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Can tankies go 5 minutes without saying "but the US bad too!" Challenge (impossible)

    Like I fucking despise the US and everything they represent, but we're not talking about them.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I brought up the U.S. to ask if you think they’re committing genocide, since they’re actually doing what you’re accusing China of doing, or if genocide only applies to countries you don’t like.

    If this is whataboutism, then what do you call bringing up Israel?

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