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Norway is set to become the first country to fully transition to electric vehicles (www.cnbc.com)
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Norway is on track to become the first country to eliminate gasoline and diesel cars from new car sales, with EVs making up over 96% of recent purchases.

Decades of incentives, including tax breaks and infrastructure investments, have driven this shift.

Officials see EV adoption as a “new normal” and aim for electric city buses by 2025.

While other countries lag behind, Norway's success demonstrates the potential for widespread EV adoption.

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[–] 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

Which is why they are heated before being charged, either by the on-board heater if it’s been parked, or naturally by just driving the damn thing.

You said EVs don’t work well in the cold. That is a demonstrably false statement by the fact that Norway has over 500 000 of them rolling around all year. You can post as many misinformed links supporting it as you wish. If it had any merit, we would not be at 90%+ adoption rating.

Either you are the biggest genious in the world and we are half a million morons, or you are just wrong.
The fact that I drive mine in weather spanning from -30 C to +25 C makes me suspect the latter.

Have a good one, mate.

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  • [+] -17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Brother what are you talking about. I said they function in the cold. They don't work well in the cold. They have recommended temperature ranges for a reason. I am simply pointing out the significant hit to battery performance and lifespan that the deep cold adds.

    I havent posted any "misinformation". You can literally verify every statement I've made with a number of scientific papers and studies on the effects of temperature and batteries. We have known they don't work well in the cold for years. I have had to stick an untold number of cellphones into my inner layer pants pockets to prevent them from completely shutting off or refusing to charge because they got way too cold to safely operate.

    By owning and driving fully electric cars in the significant cold they are absolutely lowering of the lifespan of those batteries meaning they need to be replaced more often. The batteries are far and away the biggest source of pollution in an EV.

    You can call me names and whatever else you want but at least be scientifically accurate.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What you posted is irrelevant, the other guy gave you an answer in the first sentence: you heat the batteries up if needed. Problem solved.

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  • [+] -18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hey super genius if your have a car that only has batteries inside it as an energy source what do you use to heat up the batteries so the batteries are working inside their correct temperature range? The batteries. Which are cold because you parked it outside in a place that averages close to zero degrees depending on the region and time of year. Sure if you park it in your heated garage and then park it at work at a heated garage and you only ever drive it between those locations the cold will basically hit matter but if you ever leave the car anywhere that it will drop down to ambient outside temps then it will be causing damage to the batteries when they use their own cold juices to get warmed up enough to do their job right.

    I know that when charging they will sip power to heat the batteries to the proper temperature for charging (and they heat up a tad naturally when charged), but anyone who isn't always charging it while parked or leaving inside a heated garage that will not be the case.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    This is true, but the batteries do not suffer any harm by being used when cold, just charging which we by now agree is not an issue as long as the car heats them up first.

    They also expell heat by being used, so they are nice and toasty for when you reach you destination and can plug in.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    The misinformation is that they don't work well in the cold. Truth be told, they are fantastic in the cold. I'd argue better than ICE. That's a different topic for a different day though.

    You are, rightfully so, claiming batteries don't like cold temperatures. What you fail to add are the mitigations companies make to solve these issues. That feels disingenous, unless you just didn't know.

    If your phone had the capacity and function to heat itself up during outdoor use, it would also work brilliantly.

    So while I'm sure the scientific papers are great, without having read them, I'd guess they don't include the whole picture either as if they would, we'd be in agreement.

    I tried finding where I called you any names and failed, but if you felt attacked then I appoligize for that. I have nothing against you or think you deserve that. We are just disagreeing on this one topic.

    Have a good night!

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