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Russian Anti-War Activist Sentenced To Six Years In Prison For Internet Posts (www.rferl.org)

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[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So your answer is to let an aggressor nation just happily steamroll through any country it pleases? Because down to this logic, any nation that decides to defend their homeland just cause needless bloodshed. No fighting = no deaths, but the aggressor can literally just waltz in and take whatever it wants.

The fighting needs to stop as soon as possible

Agreed. Every effort needs to make sure Russia leaves Ukraine ASAP. Ideally without any more deaths. But unfortunately as long as Russia continues this pointless act of imperialism, then the death toll will rise.

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[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

So your answer is to keep the meatgrinder running for as long as possible? Sure, countless Ukrainians and Russians are dying, but at least the lines on the map don't change.

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[–] CamaradeBoina@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

No the real answer is these people somehow think their constant egging on escalation instead of some sort of diplomatic resolution, won't eventually lead inevitably to the war escaping its proxy status and evolve into a REAL inter-imperialist direct confrontation with all of what it implies (it implies nukes)

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[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

If Ukraine wants to remain a sovereign nation and retain its land, then what alternative does it have? I don't think any nation in their right mind would happily let an invader just attack without putting up a defence.

Russia themselves threw millions of men into the meat grinder to defeat the Nazis and so did the allies. So did the north Vietnamese against the US. It's tragic, but it's it's unfortunately the reality when there's bad actors that invade other nations.

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

You think nazis are in this case the good actors because the genocide they were busy with got interrupted by an invader invited by the people you wanted killed off to protect them?

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[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

That's it, keep peddling the Russian progaganda that the Ukrainians are Nazis and the Russians are humanitarian peacekeepers.

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago*

And you just keep using thought terminating cliches like "everything true but also bad is enemy propaganda" to prevent yourself from thinking about what holiday Ukraine made January first.

As just a single flippant example to both call you an idiot and say 'fuck you' for making me bother making a self evident case.

Defending Ukraine in this war is exactly equal to supporting the genocide they were committing to provoke it.

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[–] teichflamme@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

The joke is that what you want has been done already when Russia invaded the Krim.

How dumb do you have to be to think that Russia would not do the same shit again soon if Ukraine decides to do nothing?

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

So your answer is to let an aggressor nation just happily steamroll through any country it pleases?

You were happy enough to let Ukraine commit genocide until an 'aggressor' stopped it

Every effort needs to make sure Russia leaves Ukraine ASAP

So enlist. They're out of warm bodies to throw at minefields and artillery kill zones. Instead of being so bloodthirsty with other people's lives, put yours at risk.

Why do you deserve to live if you want other people to die for your cause? Go die for your own cause. Go die with the rest of your nazi comrades.

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[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

You were happy enough to let Ukraine commit genocide until an 'aggressor' stopped it

No? Let's not forget that Russia massively exaggerated the numbers this, whilst simultaneously also committing atrocities themselves, and then severely ramped it up in the invasion. It hasn't stopped, it's got significantly worse.

Why don't you go to Putin and ask him to pull out of Ukraine? Or go protest the war in Russia and build momentum to get the population to protest?

Go die with the rest of your nazi comrades.

Of course, you see all Ukrainians as Nazis. Explains why you're so eager for Ukraine to roll over so Russia can come in take over the country and eradicate Ukraine and it's culture.

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

Let's not forget that Russia massively exaggerated the numbers

"we were only doing a little genocide"

whilst

cringe

and then severely ramped it up in the invasion

Not after the invasion. After Ukraine reacted to its situation turning hopeless by turning to terrorist tactics like bombing civilian bridges during rush hour.

Why don't you go to Putin and ask him to pull out of Ukraine?

Because unlike you I don't wish for the genocide to continue until it's successful.

Of course, you see all Ukrainians as Nazis.

No. Just the ones who took power in 2014 and have since made it illegal to oppose them politically while making national holidays out of WW2 nazi heroes. The ones you keep photographing with their nazi tattoos because you somehow can't find all the good Ukrainians who aren't sporting them.

It's a nazi country. It's run by and run for nazis. You're defending them knowing this full well. You're covering for them. That's why I call them your comrades. You're a nazi by action.

Explains why you're so eager for Ukraine to roll over so Russia can come in take over the country and eradicate Ukraine and it's culture.

Typical nazi rhetoric: either you let us purge anyone not like us or you're doing oppressing us.

To say nothing of how fucking ignorant you are of the entire geopolitics around the war to say something so fucking stupid as to not even know why Russia is fighting. Shut the fuck up if you don't know anything. Sophomoric linguistic punch-ups like 'whilst' do absolutely fucking nothing to mask the fact that you're talking out of your ass.

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[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

That's it, keep trying to discredit me by calling me a Nazi while you push your Kremlin propaganda.

It's a nazi country. It's run by and run for nazis. You're defending them knowing this full well.

More Russian myths.

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/ukraine-designates-national-holiday-for-nazi-collaborator/

Ah yes more lies from the bolshevik jew

I'm totally not a nazi by the way

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[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

The president himself is Jewish, with something like 8 million Jews living in Ukraine. How much of the far right make up the Ukrainian parliament?

Stepan Bandera

Yeah fair enough, it's not great to be celebrating this guy. I suspect this is more about a big "fuck you" to the Soviet Union rather than celebrating his collaboration with the Nazis, given what happened to Ukraine in the 30's. To them he symbolises the fight for independence from Russia.

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

I'm not a nazi, I just use nazi state propaganda as a justification for deifying one of the key nazi figures that committed the holocaust

But it doesn't count because I have a jewish friend

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