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Immutable Distro Opinions (www.linuxfordevices.com)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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I recently took up Bazzite from mint and I love it! After using it for a few days I found out it was an immutable distro, after looking into what that is I thought it was a great idea. I love the idea of getting a fresh image for every update, I think for businesses/ less tech savvy people it adds another layer of protection from self harm because you can't mess with the root without extra steps.

For anyone who isn't familiar with immutable distros I attached a picture of mutable vs immutable, I don't want to describe it because I am still learning.

My question is: what does the community think of it?

Do the downsides outweigh the benefits or vice versa?

Could this help Linux reach more mainstream audiences?

Any other input would be appreciated!

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[–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

I don't really know what you're saying. Most software is distributed as binaries, that doesn't make them inherently untrustworthy, you just need to have trust in whoever is distributing it. It's trivial to look at the build process of a flatpak and verify that it is legitimate. Just because the binary isn't being built from source by every user doesn't make it insecure.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Who is mostly pushing these containerized apps?

    Proprietary software vendors.

    Same for who stands the most to benefit from immutable distros. Like Android and MacOS get shipped.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Flatpak is completely open source software and any proprietary software in it has a large warning about how it's proprietary. I don't know why you think proprietary software vendors are pushing these. Ublue, NixOS, and Fedora Silverblue are all community run, not being pushed by some malicious group pushing proprietary software.

    Why companies even have anything to gain from their proprietary software being in a container? All that would do is make data collection more difficult.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Why do you think all phone makers push it?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Because it improves security and privacy, something they can advertise as a feature. There's no negative for them to implement, it's their phone, they can already collect all the data they want. It still prevents other apps from accessing data they shouldn't.

    Why do you think phone makers push it? What possible malicious reason do you think proprietary software makers have to push containerization and sandboxing? What do they gain?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Correct about security. Unable to inspect the code running, unable to control your own device fully, and really secure at keeping the user out of their hardware.

    And for apps shipped in containers? No need to be a part of the FLOSS community, because you can easily ship software to your users that provides no freedoms.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    Those things have nothing to do with containerization. They can do those things without it. Containerization exists to improve privacy and security. It can do the same thing on Linux.

    Even if you trust an app, it can have vulnerabilities you are unaware of. Containerization helps limit the effects damage from a vulnerability could have. They also simplify the distribution of software, which is the primary goal of Flatpak. There are benefits for using containers for open source software, you're just refusing to acknowledge them. Nobody is forcing you to use containerization, and I don't care to convince you to. I just think acting like Flatpak and other container based package formats is some corporate conspiracy is silly. Flatpak is FOSS and mainly distributes FOSS.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There is literally no arguing with people like you, haha

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So, you cannot or will not answer. Got it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Go back and look at all the good faith replies to you, and notice that you haven't replied in kind. You seem like you have a strong and incorrect agenda to push, without being willing to take on any new information which people are providing to you.

    You only harm yourself by being fixed in your mindset. There is a very strong correlation between success and people who are able to take on information and grow.

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