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fixed cyberghost's "meme" (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Based on your answer, I've discovered what tankie means: Tankie = Marxist.

Successful Marxist movement results in a dictatorship of the proletariat. Dictator = tankie.

Hence tankie is a term used to describe any Marxist.

Thanks for contributing to this scientific breakthrough!

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Nah, first premise is false in more than one way. You are conflating the ideology Stalin made with Marxism.

    The second error is that there has never been a dictatorship of the proletariat, every time it has been a political party that seizes power for themselves and not the workers. In doing so they become the ruling class with differing class interests than the workers.

    Marx must be rotating in his grave with the speed to power the whole globe at this point.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    What my society looks like when a party seizes power for themselves and not the workers

    (Source: Thomas Piketty's World Inequality Report 2022, for fun maybe try poking around and finding a non socialist state with any comparable inversion of income inequality.)

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Do you believe capitalism is good because it helped some people? The whole point of socialism is to put the means of production into the hands of the workers and not a vanguard party. Yea, the USSR did quite a lot of imperialism which it used to reduce income inequality of the Russian people but it was never socialist.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Do you know what imperialism means

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes, the USSR annexing it's neighbours and then exporting their resources and people was very much imperialism.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, clearly the Soviet, Chinese and Cuban workers had completely different interests than being raised out of poverty and squalor. Damn those dastardly political parties and their... diligent work towards eradictaing poverty while promoting actual, decentralized democracy.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Well, Cubans still live in pretty close proximity to squalor. They can't even afford to maintain their own buildings, don't have a functional transportation system, and people live on what, $20 a month? The one saving grace is out there health care system is decent. And by that, I mean much more equitable than in the United States.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    the ideology Stalin made

    I would say Lenin was more instrumental in the creation of Marxism-Leninism, Stalin was just the guy who happened to be in charge when they named it. It's also a tendency that has evolved a lot from what it was in the 40s.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You didn't do the reading :(. Dictatorship of the proletariat is a concept Marx and Engles adopted. Stalin didn't create it.

    I don't know what you think the proletariat taking control of the state is suppose to look like, but there will always be a communist party involved. The mechanisms of power exist to be ruled by a party.

    Communist parties should be judged by what they do for their poorest citizens. With that in mind, AES countries are doing a decent job. Things get better when they are in power, and get way worse if they are overthrown

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're wrong, what Marx talked about was the whole class of workers being in power. Stalin perverted that idea to a vanguard party. Stalin's system has always resulted in a ruling class composed of a class that was no longer the proletariat (if they even were to begin with). That system is not socialist, it is in fact no better than a capitalist system, as the hierarchies at work are equally unjust.

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