▲ 1460 ▼ The Welsh disagree. (lemmy.world) submitted 3 years ago by SomeoneElse@lemmy.world [M] to c/confidently_incorrect@lemmy.world 156 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Fisk400@lemmy.world 32 points 3 years ago (1 child) I wonder what the general kill count for languages that can be directly attributed to the english. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.world [S] 11 points 3 years ago (2 children) I mean, we fucked up the world for centuries so it’s gotta be pretty high. Would you blame Native Americans and indigenous Canadians losing their language on the English or the Americans/Canadians out of interest? We certainly got the ball rolling, but the new North Americans saw it through. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) For like two centuries those “Americans” were LITERALLY British. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.world [S] 8 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Yes… that’s why I said we started it. But you’ve had a good 250 years to make a run of it on your own. It was an idle question, no need for any agro. Edit: spelling permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) American here. While I don't really know much about the specifics as far as the language killing goes, I think the blame for the vast majority of atrocities that were inflicted on the Natives falls on America, not England. Sure, it started with you, but when we separated, we had only stolen the most of the east coast. Now we've stolen damn near everything. And Andrew Jackson in particular is to blame for a fuckload of it. He's definitely ours, as much as I'm ashamed of it. Hiding from history doesn't do anyone any good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago Thomas Jefferson the OG American Imperialist. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fisk400@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I count the english language as one player in this game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I don’t think the Aussies would agree with that! But I see what you’re saying, the English speakers were at fault, whether you considered them British or new world north American. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Historical_General@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Aussies are settlers mate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Aborigines send their regards permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.world [S] 11 points 3 years ago (2 children) I mean, we fucked up the world for centuries so it’s gotta be pretty high. Would you blame Native Americans and indigenous Canadians losing their language on the English or the Americans/Canadians out of interest? We certainly got the ball rolling, but the new North Americans saw it through. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) For like two centuries those “Americans” were LITERALLY British. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.world [S] 8 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Yes… that’s why I said we started it. But you’ve had a good 250 years to make a run of it on your own. It was an idle question, no need for any agro. Edit: spelling permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) American here. While I don't really know much about the specifics as far as the language killing goes, I think the blame for the vast majority of atrocities that were inflicted on the Natives falls on America, not England. Sure, it started with you, but when we separated, we had only stolen the most of the east coast. Now we've stolen damn near everything. And Andrew Jackson in particular is to blame for a fuckload of it. He's definitely ours, as much as I'm ashamed of it. Hiding from history doesn't do anyone any good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago Thomas Jefferson the OG American Imperialist. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fisk400@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I count the english language as one player in this game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I don’t think the Aussies would agree with that! But I see what you’re saying, the English speakers were at fault, whether you considered them British or new world north American. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Historical_General@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Aussies are settlers mate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Aborigines send their regards permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) For like two centuries those “Americans” were LITERALLY British. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.world [S] 8 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Yes… that’s why I said we started it. But you’ve had a good 250 years to make a run of it on your own. It was an idle question, no need for any agro. Edit: spelling permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) American here. While I don't really know much about the specifics as far as the language killing goes, I think the blame for the vast majority of atrocities that were inflicted on the Natives falls on America, not England. Sure, it started with you, but when we separated, we had only stolen the most of the east coast. Now we've stolen damn near everything. And Andrew Jackson in particular is to blame for a fuckload of it. He's definitely ours, as much as I'm ashamed of it. Hiding from history doesn't do anyone any good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago Thomas Jefferson the OG American Imperialist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.world [S] 8 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Yes… that’s why I said we started it. But you’ve had a good 250 years to make a run of it on your own. It was an idle question, no need for any agro. Edit: spelling permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) American here. While I don't really know much about the specifics as far as the language killing goes, I think the blame for the vast majority of atrocities that were inflicted on the Natives falls on America, not England. Sure, it started with you, but when we separated, we had only stolen the most of the east coast. Now we've stolen damn near everything. And Andrew Jackson in particular is to blame for a fuckload of it. He's definitely ours, as much as I'm ashamed of it. Hiding from history doesn't do anyone any good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago Thomas Jefferson the OG American Imperialist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) American here. While I don't really know much about the specifics as far as the language killing goes, I think the blame for the vast majority of atrocities that were inflicted on the Natives falls on America, not England. Sure, it started with you, but when we separated, we had only stolen the most of the east coast. Now we've stolen damn near everything. And Andrew Jackson in particular is to blame for a fuckload of it. He's definitely ours, as much as I'm ashamed of it. Hiding from history doesn't do anyone any good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago Thomas Jefferson the OG American Imperialist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago Thomas Jefferson the OG American Imperialist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fisk400@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I count the english language as one player in this game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I don’t think the Aussies would agree with that! But I see what you’re saying, the English speakers were at fault, whether you considered them British or new world north American. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Historical_General@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Aussies are settlers mate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Aborigines send their regards permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I don’t think the Aussies would agree with that! But I see what you’re saying, the English speakers were at fault, whether you considered them British or new world north American. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Historical_General@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Aussies are settlers mate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Aborigines send their regards permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Historical_General@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Aussies are settlers mate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Aborigines send their regards permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Aborigines send their regards permalink fedilink source parent