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[–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Thanks for sharing, believe it or not I am a communist myself and I agree with most of what the video said. I just don't see how communism can ever emerge from authoritarianism, because if the defence against imperialism is authoritarianism are we not still dancing to the imperialist tune?

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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

Comunism can only emerge from authoritarianism, by definition, because every single class society is authoritarian, and thus every state is. And as Engels noticed, revolution is the most authoritarian thing that is.

Imperialism is not the same as authoritarianism. To know what we mean by "imperialism" read Lenin's "Imperialism: the highest stage of capitalism".

And you might noticed how authoritarianism in my first sentence is used incredibly wide, it's not a mistake, it's one of those terms that have no useful meaning, it wasn't even useful to start with, and especially not when it went through the liberal media and social media mill which had tendency to either purposefully or acidentally (or both) twist definitions to the point they are unrecognizable. Therefore to broadly talk about "authoritarianism" is meaningless, that word is unhelpful as definition and can be used at most as the cliche to deflect discussion (and note it's been used in this thread in this characer extensively by liberals who sure as hell aren't opposing it because they support authoritarian societies as well).

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[–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

True communism is stateless, so how can this emerge from authoritarianism?

We could use the word oppressive or repressive if you prefer?

I agree, liberals are as bad as tankies for justifying their repressive ideology

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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

True communism is stateless, so how can this emerge from authoritarianism?

Because history and society exist? States exist? Regardless if you are for transitional socialist state or you are some kind of utopist wanting to implement instant communism on a press of a button, that communist society will be necessarily build on a base of the current one.

as tankies for justifying their repressive ideology

What lack of dialectic materialism does to a mfer.

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[–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

So how do you envisage communism arising from a socialist state which represses its citizens?

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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago*

You do always discuss by asking questions this loaded? Especially after making completely outlandish claim that new society can't be build on base of the old one? Not even posadists went that far, that sounds more like some apocalypse preaching.