▲ -53 ▼ “I am a leftist who hates Russia and China” (lemmy.ml) submitted 2 years ago by Confidant6198@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml 38 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] remotelove@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (2 children) Right? I comsider myself fairly far-left, but Putin and Xi are oligarchs abusing their respective positions of power to enrich themselves at the expense of their countrymen and the world at large. You can oppose those things and still think government should take care of its people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Aww shit! The mods don't think so. You must conform to the will of the oligarchies or be erased from history. (Or just pictures. They also like to delete people from official pictures.) But if anyone missed it: I SAID THAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T LIKE AUTHORITARIAN DICTATORSHIPS! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago ML moment permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Putin and Xi aren't really comparable. Xi is the leader of a Socialist country that has made dramatic efforts on eradicating poverty, whereas Putin is the president of a Capitalist country mired in relentless social stratification and a lack of safety nets. Equalizing them is a pretty big error in judgement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Good points, and I agree with you. I only mentioned those two because the topic was Russia and China. The wider point stands, that oligarchs in every political and economic system of government are generally more concerned with their own power and welfare. Political leaders and power brokers will claim to have some ideological basis for their crimes, but there is always self-interest at the core of every exploitation. In that narrow-scope comparison, they are the same, but it manifests differently based on the available social and political structures in their respective countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago I don't think this is a good, materialist view of human behavior or societal organization. Claiming that there is always self-interest at the heart of any political leader regardless of structure and methods of accountability is self-determinism, not materialism. Such a framework of analysis isn't really useful IMO. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago Some countries only get the choice between a Castro and a Pinochet. Who would you prefer? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (2 children) Right? I comsider myself fairly far-left, but Putin and Xi are oligarchs abusing their respective positions of power to enrich themselves at the expense of their countrymen and the world at large. You can oppose those things and still think government should take care of its people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Aww shit! The mods don't think so. You must conform to the will of the oligarchies or be erased from history. (Or just pictures. They also like to delete people from official pictures.) But if anyone missed it: I SAID THAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T LIKE AUTHORITARIAN DICTATORSHIPS! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago ML moment permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Putin and Xi aren't really comparable. Xi is the leader of a Socialist country that has made dramatic efforts on eradicating poverty, whereas Putin is the president of a Capitalist country mired in relentless social stratification and a lack of safety nets. Equalizing them is a pretty big error in judgement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Good points, and I agree with you. I only mentioned those two because the topic was Russia and China. The wider point stands, that oligarchs in every political and economic system of government are generally more concerned with their own power and welfare. Political leaders and power brokers will claim to have some ideological basis for their crimes, but there is always self-interest at the core of every exploitation. In that narrow-scope comparison, they are the same, but it manifests differently based on the available social and political structures in their respective countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago I don't think this is a good, materialist view of human behavior or societal organization. Claiming that there is always self-interest at the heart of any political leader regardless of structure and methods of accountability is self-determinism, not materialism. Such a framework of analysis isn't really useful IMO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Aww shit! The mods don't think so. You must conform to the will of the oligarchies or be erased from history. (Or just pictures. They also like to delete people from official pictures.) But if anyone missed it: I SAID THAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T LIKE AUTHORITARIAN DICTATORSHIPS! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago ML moment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Putin and Xi aren't really comparable. Xi is the leader of a Socialist country that has made dramatic efforts on eradicating poverty, whereas Putin is the president of a Capitalist country mired in relentless social stratification and a lack of safety nets. Equalizing them is a pretty big error in judgement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Good points, and I agree with you. I only mentioned those two because the topic was Russia and China. The wider point stands, that oligarchs in every political and economic system of government are generally more concerned with their own power and welfare. Political leaders and power brokers will claim to have some ideological basis for their crimes, but there is always self-interest at the core of every exploitation. In that narrow-scope comparison, they are the same, but it manifests differently based on the available social and political structures in their respective countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago I don't think this is a good, materialist view of human behavior or societal organization. Claiming that there is always self-interest at the heart of any political leader regardless of structure and methods of accountability is self-determinism, not materialism. Such a framework of analysis isn't really useful IMO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Good points, and I agree with you. I only mentioned those two because the topic was Russia and China. The wider point stands, that oligarchs in every political and economic system of government are generally more concerned with their own power and welfare. Political leaders and power brokers will claim to have some ideological basis for their crimes, but there is always self-interest at the core of every exploitation. In that narrow-scope comparison, they are the same, but it manifests differently based on the available social and political structures in their respective countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago I don't think this is a good, materialist view of human behavior or societal organization. Claiming that there is always self-interest at the heart of any political leader regardless of structure and methods of accountability is self-determinism, not materialism. Such a framework of analysis isn't really useful IMO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago I don't think this is a good, materialist view of human behavior or societal organization. Claiming that there is always self-interest at the heart of any political leader regardless of structure and methods of accountability is self-determinism, not materialism. Such a framework of analysis isn't really useful IMO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago Some countries only get the choice between a Castro and a Pinochet. Who would you prefer? permalink fedilink source parent
