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EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force (www.france24.com)
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[–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

If that was actually how the legal system works (which it’s not, you need standing), then this law wouldn’t matter anyways because you could “sue” for any reason just to waste everyone’s time and money.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    you could “sue” for any reason just to waste everyone’s time and money.

    this is literally what happens today, all the fing time. examples of it as a legal strategy appear all over the place.

    I've addressed the 'standing' nonsense in plenty of places. standing isn't a thing that is set in stone. examples of lack of standing cases going to court and case that should have standing being denied are everywhere. you just need to find a willing judge either ideologically or bribable.

    off the top of my head: student loan relief was challenged by companies who managed the payments process as contractors for the government, widely agreed upon by legal experts to not actually have standing. cases involving abortion being tossed out due to lack of standing due to the birth or death of the fetus. Obviously US examples, but if i bothered looking into the EU id find examples there too.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    SLAPPs are a problem in the EU, but not to the same degree as in the US. Unlike the US, there are bloc-wide rules protecting against them that saw the number of cases decrease this year. You’d have a stronger argument if you based this on the EU instead of just assuming that it’s a carbon copy of the US.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I literally said the environments are different. please read. What my entire point is about is that these problems are systemic and unsolvable due to human nature. SLAPPs were just a single example of the systemic issue. The primary way (IIRC) the EU addressed SLAPPs is by allowing for financial recovery for the defendant from the accuser after winning the case, this is only useful if the defendant can actually afford to run the trial to completion.

    You literally cannot have a legal system that prevents the point I'm making because if you did you'd have a legal system that prevents redressing actual harm, which is fundamentally the point of a functioning legal system.

    Any system that presupposes no harm is being done and rejects cases out of hand will result in unaddressed harms. Any system that actually prevents harm must have a way for a party to prove their position of harm being done. Any system that allows for a party to prove their position of harm inherently allows for the system to be abused by parties who can sink money into forcing discovery, etc.

    These are just facts about the legal system that literally cannot be avoided no matter how much you try to hand wave them away with nonsense about 'standing' or trying to assert one geopolitical area vs another.

    Either you have a legal system that allows for redressing harm or you have a legal system that is for punishment and protecting the state (i.e. were sovereign immunity comes from).

    Since ostensibly both judicial systems in this conversation allow for a discovery phase, which often is incredibly expensive for the defending party, my original point stands that these types of laws can be abused to financially drain competition.

    Again I have nothing against this law in particular beyond the problems inherent in such a policy. which in this case are minor and would not prevent me from supporting it in general; but we should be aware of the harm potential.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You obviously care very strongly about this, but you should actually look up what the EU’s recent actions are before writing a short novel on Lemmy. In 2024 the EU implemented new rules that allow defendants of potential SLAPP suits to request early dismissal, requiring the plaintiff to prove plausibility of their claims prior to court proceedings, financial, legal, and emotional aid to defendants, requiring of the plaintiff to pay for the proceedings, and rules restricting plaintiffs from selecting jurisdictions more sympathetic to their cause, including those outside the EU. Obviously no solution is perfect, but at the same time the EU is taking reasonable measures to prevent the outcomes you are baselessly fear mongering about. Stop assuming the rest of the world’s governments are as evil and useless as in the US before making unfounded accusations, and actually look up the facts before you make yourself look foolish.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I actually dont. you're all just dense on what I'm telling you. congrats the EU has implemented a patch that still will not prevent the issue from occurring. putting more red tape in the way of slapp lawsuits won't prevent them, just make them more expensive. which was never the problem in the first place, since you know, wealthy people are the ones driving them.

    secondly, I was using slapp lawsuits were an example of the fundamental problem with using the legal system to address issues.

    Stop assuming the rest of the world’s governments are as evil and useless as in the US before making unfounded accusations

    never made a single accusation. project much? I said the law will have a chilling effect on innovation. which is perfectly okay its a god damn power cord.

    you're the ones who have decided that I'm spouting nonsense and that it doesnt apply in your region despite me literally handing you the evidence that:

    1. it does apply to your region.
    2. the effects im pointing to are literally things you cannot legislate away,
    3. the slapp law your referencing as proof isnt actually proof because (see report) and its been tried before. it helps but doesnt prevent the issues im describing and using as an example.
    4. it doesnt apply to laws around corpo regulations which as i've been pointing out suffer from the same fundamental ability to be weaponized.

    finally I actually think the EU has been doing good fucking work on holding companies to account. however it doesnt mean we have to ignore the potential side effects and dismiss them.

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