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[+] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Socialism is an economic system defined by production of goods and services according to their need, in contrast to capitalism where they're produced for profit. Two totally different, incompatible systems

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Worker control of production, or production according to need?

    These end up being the same thing, that is sort of the point of capitalism going away. The profit motive is disconnected from human utility.

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    Honestly, why not just peg the value of 100 of a a currency to the energy used to create a loaf of bread? Then bread will always cost close to 100 and other products will be priced according to energy and not speculation.

    Markets aren't that efficient compared to planning. There is a reason why firms nowadays work off of a bastardized descendent of Cybersyn.

    but you're asking to replace the entire capitalist economy so I can only hope you understand a revolution doesn't come without risk and has never truly succeeded yet for anyone ever.

    Tell that to Cubans, who had a longer life expectancy than people than the US even with the blockade before Trump intensified the blockade.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    That might work. Really it isn't that hard. Most societies through history have practiced some form of social production. Without the fear and lie nation of capitlaism the desire to do good and not live in a bad place has been drive enough to make things work.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Socialism is when the government does stuff.

    Uh, yeah?

    You are literally saying something that is so thoroughly absurd it is a well known meme used to make fun of people who don't know what they're talking about.

    Clip of the most famous example of the meme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgiC8YfytDw

    Lecture the clip is from (that you could learn a lot from): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysZC0JOYYWw

    Look, ignorance is not a crime. But you really are painfully ignorant about the topic you are claiming to explain and you would do well to learn more before presuming to educate "extremists on both sides." Your comments are so lacking in self awareness and so cringe that I'm half convinced this is a bit.

    Edit: So after a refresh of the thread I read more of your comments and I'm glad to see you're willing to learn and discuss. Here is another good introduction point that's been well received by a lot of people beginning to look beyond the buzzwords and genuinely learn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpKsygbNLT4 Actually, the same could be said for about every video on that channel (Second Thought).

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Uh, yeah? Socialism is a product or service provided by a government agency at a reduced or waived price. The products and services in question don't just happen.

    no it isn't. socialism is worker control of the means of production.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The historical reality is that the word’s meaning has changed over time and the meaning currently being used by GreenTeaRedFlag has also changed words. There used to be “social democrats” who would be more recognizable as Marxists nowadays and who bear little resemblance to what we call them nowadays.

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  • [+] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    That’s fair. For what it’s worth, I don’t know any socialist schools of thought which define socialism as equivalent to government social spending.

    No need to reply since you’re ducking out, but if you don’t mind me offering a couple videos on the subject of central planning, these are well done and measured analyses in my opinion:

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  • [–] [B] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

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