▲ 240 ▼ Nord VPN tv commercials are incredibly misleading (www.ispot.tv) submitted 2 years ago by possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world 46 comments fedilink hide all child comments A VPN isn't going to protect you from malware or trackers. I'm not sure how they can get away with this marketing. If you want to boost your security focus on your web browser
[–] lilShalom@lemmy.basedcount.com 30 points 2 years ago (3 children) Good luck trying to explain to normies what a vpn is in 30 seconds. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cadekat@pawb.social 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) A VPN does this, but for your internet connection: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago It lets my internets 69?? permalink fedilink source parent [–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (3 children) Internet providers, governments and criminals can see what you are doing online, With VPN they can't anymore. Thats basically it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) ...they can't really? Only the domain name is visible to the ISP, and criminals are either stopped by https or won't care about a VPN. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] m_f@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Everything's visible for HTTP, and in fact some ISPs inject their own ads into HTTP content. HTTPS is harder for malicious actors, but your ISP can tell when you're visiting pornhub.com, and will happily provide that to the government. With encrypted SNI it's somewhat harder, but if you're visiting an IP address of 1.2.3.4, and that IP address is solely used by pornhub.com, it's not hard to guess what you're up to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Yes, I'm aware. IP addresses are come colocated to hell and back, and every site uses https. I'm sure your ISP is getting some real interesting data watching you visit the same 4 sites. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tuss@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not all isps are bad. Mine have their own free vpn service which encrypts all traffic and hides your IP. So even if the government want anything on you they can't give it to them. On top of that they are notorious for not giving the government anything. They also have competitive pricing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah I don’t buy it. Instead of tapping individual connections, you now only have to tap the traffic to/from the VPNs exit nodes. Then you correlate incoming packets with outgoing packets (e.g. based on size, timing, etc) and you know the origin of the traffic. Bonus is that it acts as a filter, people using a VPN want to hide their traffic so you specifically want to watch those people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] m_f@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago If a VPN is big enough, you can't really do that sort of correlation due to the level of traffic involved. I guess that would work for visitors to https://www.woman-inflates-a-balloon-and-sits-on-it-and-pops-it.com/, but wouldn't work at all for google.com permalink fedilink source parent [–] dvdv@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) With a VPN it's harder for some and impossible for others. But don't for a second think nobody can see what you're doing. I don't want to go into the whole tinfoil provacy rabbithole but with things like browser fingerprinting it's all moot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Yes but for most normal people it's enough and people that are on that kind of watch list usually know what they need. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hack3900@lemdit.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can pretend to be somewhere else to watch some geo locked content permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jackie_jormp_jomp@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago MLB.TV thinks I'm from Seattle so I can watch games that would usually be blacked out, works great permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cadekat@pawb.social 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) A VPN does this, but for your internet connection: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago It lets my internets 69?? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago It lets my internets 69?? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (3 children) Internet providers, governments and criminals can see what you are doing online, With VPN they can't anymore. Thats basically it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) ...they can't really? Only the domain name is visible to the ISP, and criminals are either stopped by https or won't care about a VPN. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] m_f@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Everything's visible for HTTP, and in fact some ISPs inject their own ads into HTTP content. HTTPS is harder for malicious actors, but your ISP can tell when you're visiting pornhub.com, and will happily provide that to the government. With encrypted SNI it's somewhat harder, but if you're visiting an IP address of 1.2.3.4, and that IP address is solely used by pornhub.com, it's not hard to guess what you're up to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Yes, I'm aware. IP addresses are come colocated to hell and back, and every site uses https. I'm sure your ISP is getting some real interesting data watching you visit the same 4 sites. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tuss@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not all isps are bad. Mine have their own free vpn service which encrypts all traffic and hides your IP. So even if the government want anything on you they can't give it to them. On top of that they are notorious for not giving the government anything. They also have competitive pricing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah I don’t buy it. Instead of tapping individual connections, you now only have to tap the traffic to/from the VPNs exit nodes. Then you correlate incoming packets with outgoing packets (e.g. based on size, timing, etc) and you know the origin of the traffic. Bonus is that it acts as a filter, people using a VPN want to hide their traffic so you specifically want to watch those people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] m_f@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago If a VPN is big enough, you can't really do that sort of correlation due to the level of traffic involved. I guess that would work for visitors to https://www.woman-inflates-a-balloon-and-sits-on-it-and-pops-it.com/, but wouldn't work at all for google.com permalink fedilink source parent [–] dvdv@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) With a VPN it's harder for some and impossible for others. But don't for a second think nobody can see what you're doing. I don't want to go into the whole tinfoil provacy rabbithole but with things like browser fingerprinting it's all moot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Yes but for most normal people it's enough and people that are on that kind of watch list usually know what they need. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) ...they can't really? Only the domain name is visible to the ISP, and criminals are either stopped by https or won't care about a VPN. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] m_f@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Everything's visible for HTTP, and in fact some ISPs inject their own ads into HTTP content. HTTPS is harder for malicious actors, but your ISP can tell when you're visiting pornhub.com, and will happily provide that to the government. With encrypted SNI it's somewhat harder, but if you're visiting an IP address of 1.2.3.4, and that IP address is solely used by pornhub.com, it's not hard to guess what you're up to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Yes, I'm aware. IP addresses are come colocated to hell and back, and every site uses https. I'm sure your ISP is getting some real interesting data watching you visit the same 4 sites. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tuss@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not all isps are bad. Mine have their own free vpn service which encrypts all traffic and hides your IP. So even if the government want anything on you they can't give it to them. On top of that they are notorious for not giving the government anything. They also have competitive pricing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] m_f@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Everything's visible for HTTP, and in fact some ISPs inject their own ads into HTTP content. HTTPS is harder for malicious actors, but your ISP can tell when you're visiting pornhub.com, and will happily provide that to the government. With encrypted SNI it's somewhat harder, but if you're visiting an IP address of 1.2.3.4, and that IP address is solely used by pornhub.com, it's not hard to guess what you're up to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Yes, I'm aware. IP addresses are come colocated to hell and back, and every site uses https. I'm sure your ISP is getting some real interesting data watching you visit the same 4 sites. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tuss@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not all isps are bad. Mine have their own free vpn service which encrypts all traffic and hides your IP. So even if the government want anything on you they can't give it to them. On top of that they are notorious for not giving the government anything. They also have competitive pricing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Yes, I'm aware. IP addresses are come colocated to hell and back, and every site uses https. I'm sure your ISP is getting some real interesting data watching you visit the same 4 sites. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tuss@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not all isps are bad. Mine have their own free vpn service which encrypts all traffic and hides your IP. So even if the government want anything on you they can't give it to them. On top of that they are notorious for not giving the government anything. They also have competitive pricing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah I don’t buy it. Instead of tapping individual connections, you now only have to tap the traffic to/from the VPNs exit nodes. Then you correlate incoming packets with outgoing packets (e.g. based on size, timing, etc) and you know the origin of the traffic. Bonus is that it acts as a filter, people using a VPN want to hide their traffic so you specifically want to watch those people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] m_f@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago If a VPN is big enough, you can't really do that sort of correlation due to the level of traffic involved. I guess that would work for visitors to https://www.woman-inflates-a-balloon-and-sits-on-it-and-pops-it.com/, but wouldn't work at all for google.com permalink fedilink source parent
[–] m_f@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago If a VPN is big enough, you can't really do that sort of correlation due to the level of traffic involved. I guess that would work for visitors to https://www.woman-inflates-a-balloon-and-sits-on-it-and-pops-it.com/, but wouldn't work at all for google.com permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dvdv@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) With a VPN it's harder for some and impossible for others. But don't for a second think nobody can see what you're doing. I don't want to go into the whole tinfoil provacy rabbithole but with things like browser fingerprinting it's all moot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Yes but for most normal people it's enough and people that are on that kind of watch list usually know what they need. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Yes but for most normal people it's enough and people that are on that kind of watch list usually know what they need. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hack3900@lemdit.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can pretend to be somewhere else to watch some geo locked content permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jackie_jormp_jomp@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago MLB.TV thinks I'm from Seattle so I can watch games that would usually be blacked out, works great permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jackie_jormp_jomp@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago MLB.TV thinks I'm from Seattle so I can watch games that would usually be blacked out, works great permalink fedilink source parent