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[–] 50 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Sounds like you clearly haven't used Windows in over a decade, or even close to two.

I haven't had to install a network driver since Windows XP. Even then it had drivers for most cards built in.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're right about the network drivers, but on things like serial drivers, Windows is a fucking nightmare. Hell, I can't use some devices because FTDI drivers will brick the device if it decides its a knockoff of their chip. Getting anything working that isn't consumer grade is a shit show.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Serial drivers? Are we talking rs232? (Checks what tf ftdi is)

    Ah yes. We really are talking about very old school stuff. It brings back memories.

    This week I learned we have a waterslide connected through rs232 to a pi in our network. How's that for a IOT discovery. Working for a medium sized municipality really shows you all the bonkers solutions (and implementations) out there. If you can think a IT horror up, chances are good somebody really has created it and is using it commercially.

    Back to your issue, which is more a Ftdi issue then a windows issue since they themselves create the crashing drivers. And I can see how an old school serial port, connected to a modern pc can result in all kinds of havoc when done wrong.

    I see FTDI also have usb to rs232 solutions. That should work... Mostly. (as long as the solution doesn't go looking for an irq or other horror from the past.)

    I'm really getting curious for what use case you're still using rs232. Most network gear these days is perfectly managed without it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    I was a windows user up until about a year and a half ago, and had this issue as recently as Windows 10. I had to use my phone as a tether to go download the drivers for my TP-Link Archer T6E. Also had the issue with my MSI z97m Gaming where I had to go find drivers for the built-in wired network adapter, again using my phone as a tether, on Windows 8.1

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Since drivers are so specifc, people's anecdotal experiences with having to install them is never going to be shared.

    IE, I had to install a wired NIC driver just last month on a fresh Windows 10 22H2 for a Dell laptop that was no more than a few years old.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Idk, I just built a PC with Realtek mobo integrated wifi, we couldn't even install the OS because it didn't detect the NIC and Windows forced us to sign in before it would continue the installation.

    Had to lug the machine to a router to get anywhere, and still had to download the Asus mobo software to get the wireless going. Wasn't convenient in the least.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    So.... You didn't check your installation requirements. Is that what you're saying?

    And this wouldn't have happened with Linux?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    We had a USB prepared with drivers in advance, but that's useless when you can't get to a desktop. I admittedly didn't realize you couldn't even install Windows 11 without an active network.

    Linux would at least let me install the base system and configure the drivers after. Funny enough that USB mentioned is my ventoy and we did experiment with Linux Mint before we started on Windows. It found the NIC and network on the live ISO with no effort, I honestly thought it would be smooth sailing after that experiment.

    I would have just gone with mint personally but wasn't my system, was just helping a friend.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    When I last installed Windows I had to google where do download Libreoffice, Firefox, Steam, Audacity, VLC, Gimp and a lot more software.

    On Linux most came preinstalled, the rest was one click in the Repository ("Store" for Generation Smartphone)

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Just use winget in PowerShell.

    That's a "terminal" for generation typewriter.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Chocolatey, winget

    All that stuff they listed is packaged, versioned, and handled. I'm pretty sure there's gui's too, if you're into that

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    For chocolatey, maybe. I haven't seen a Winget GUI yet.

    Microsoft really should do that, but I think the "but what about our App Store numbers" guys would rather that didn't happen. I don't believe that anybody outside of people who were already otherwise Linux users has touched winget.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    When I last installed Windows I had to google where do download [...] On Linux most came preinstalled

    You can't have it both ways.

    On one day, you complain about all the so called "bloatware" that's preinstalled on Windows (more "pre-linked" and easily installed, and these "links" are easily deleted).

    The next day, you complain that the specific subset of software you want to use is not preinstalled on Windows.

    Lastly, the way you go about finding where to get your software, that's more of a philosophical question. Do I want someone else to curate a list of available software, or do I want to visit the publisher's website and get it directly from the source?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    At least on Debian/Ubuntu I can use tasksel to select a useful preset of packages right while installing. Base is just a text mode shell with minimal command line tools, Server has some Network Stuff, LXQT, Gnome and so on... for the total N00b it is fine to default to KDE or Gnome, I prefer LXQT though. And tbh, I think Firefox, Libreoffice and VLC are useful preinstall in nearly every use case while the usual stuff on Windows is pretty useless (Another Antivirus? Really? A trial version of a paint programm inferior to Gimp 1.0? Office 365?)

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    while the usual stuff on Windows is pretty useless

    "useless" or "useful" to you. That's my point. Someone who does not have any use for Libreoffice will get just as annoyed as you would get with a pre-linked Office-Suite.

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