I hate how “anti-war” has been hijacked by these people to mean, let imperialist countries invade whoever they want with no consequences. (in the case of tankies, any imperialist country that isn’t in NATO).

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[+] -10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

There was never any chance of Ukrainian victory. Russia is not that weak and everyone knew it from the start.

But arming ukrainians and sending them to die weakens Russia, so the US likes that. It's all a game, and none of it was ever in the interest of Ukraine nor its people.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I had a reply for a similar comment; trying to link it here, to avoid copy-pasting: https://lemmy.ml/post/23582488/15569369

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago*

    I'm sure you'll just dismiss this all as Western Imperialist propaganda since it disagrees with your worldview, but:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Kyiv_convoy#Three_day_war_plan

    https://metro.co.uk/2023/02/24/putin-thought-he-could-capture-kyiv-in-three-days-leaked-docs-claim-18342384/

    Of course, in public, Putin was much more pragmatic.

    He said it would be two weeks.

    https://time.com/3259699/putin-boast-kiev-2-weeks/

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/02/putin-russian-forces-could-conquer-ukraine-capital-kiev-fortnight

    So would you prefer, "Kyiv in two weeks?" I'll go with that. Exactly the same stupid idea.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    Seems to me that Ukraine still exists as a country and that wouldn't be the case if not for international support.

    Are you hoping for a restoration of the Soviet Union? Any other countries on your list that don't deserve to exist?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Russia has a long and proud history of losing to "smaller, weaker " countries. Russo Japanese war, WW1, Polish Soviet war of 1919, the winter war, Afghanistan, Chechen war until they paid homage to the Kadyrovs. there's no reason to think there was never a chance at Ukrainian victory. Russia fumbles the bag plenty. But I get it. America bad so Russia stonk and good.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    America bad so Russia stonk and good.

    I think this kinda reductionist bs abolishes any kind of discussion. What does this have to do with anything? Where did I say such things?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    But arming ukrainians and sending them to die weakens Russia, so the US likes that.

    Right there. You said it right there And you're changing the subject. Russian victory was never a forgone conclusion. History has shown us that.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yet 3 years later Russia still has not completed its objectives, took its eye off Syria, and needs troops & ammo from North Korea.

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