โฒ 164 โผ France calls for minimum price on European flights (techxplore.com) submitted 2 years ago by 0x815@feddit.de to c/europe@feddit.de 58 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[โ] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) Because most normal people use a flight when they actually need to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] tryptaminev@feddit.de 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I regularly hear people say stuff like "I would like to take the train, but the flight was cheapest". "You know, i'd take the train, but with switching twice and 8 hours... and the flight was only a bit more expensive" There is still a lot of convenience over actual need. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Then make the fucking trains work not other stuff more expensive... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] tryptaminev@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago One way to make the money for making trains better is to end subsidizing and properly taxing planes. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] cpjoa@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago This varies from country to country, but over here a train trip is, in general, more expensive than a flight to the same destination by a significant factor permalink fedilink source parent [โ] SRoss@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) In what scenario would a normal person need to fly within Europe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ABluManOnLemmy@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unfortunately the train routes from the Netherlands to, say, Portugal, Spain, Italy, or eastern Europe are not well developed enough yet. The train is great in the directions of Paris, Frankfurt, Berlin, and London, but beyond that it often takes longer than flying and often requires multiple tickets permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] SRoss@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You just describe when it's convenient not when anyone needs to fly. With the same reasoning everyone needs to use a car for everything outside a 500m radius because it's faster than going by bike. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ABluManOnLemmy@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago I'm not just talking about faster. Over long distances flying is often almost an order of magnitude faster, significantly cheaper, more reliable (trans-continental rail journeys often involve tricky connections between different rail carriers), and much easier to book (for example, try booking a flight between Amsterdam and Bucharest, and then a train ticket). There are some connections where rail makes sense right now, but definitely not all connections. Airlines are also obligated to pay compensation if their flights are delayed, railway companies are too under certain circumstances but the amounts are far lower and this doesn't cover separate tickets, which are often needed to travel on these very long railway journeys. But I think we're in agreement that it shouldn't be this way. In situations where taking the train takes merely 2x as long as flying instead of 10x as long, it should definitely be the preferred option. Now the goal is to expand international railway connections, extend the railway compensation rights to make the trip safer to book, and provide a pan-European ticketing system that shows the lowest prices and allows all connections on a single ticket. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Holzkohlen@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Screw that. I can't even afford a flight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Then you can't afford a train either most likely. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] tryptaminev@feddit.de 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I regularly hear people say stuff like "I would like to take the train, but the flight was cheapest". "You know, i'd take the train, but with switching twice and 8 hours... and the flight was only a bit more expensive" There is still a lot of convenience over actual need. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Then make the fucking trains work not other stuff more expensive... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] tryptaminev@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago One way to make the money for making trains better is to end subsidizing and properly taxing planes. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] cpjoa@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago This varies from country to country, but over here a train trip is, in general, more expensive than a flight to the same destination by a significant factor permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Then make the fucking trains work not other stuff more expensive... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] tryptaminev@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago One way to make the money for making trains better is to end subsidizing and properly taxing planes. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] tryptaminev@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago One way to make the money for making trains better is to end subsidizing and properly taxing planes. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] cpjoa@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago This varies from country to country, but over here a train trip is, in general, more expensive than a flight to the same destination by a significant factor permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] SRoss@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) In what scenario would a normal person need to fly within Europe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ABluManOnLemmy@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unfortunately the train routes from the Netherlands to, say, Portugal, Spain, Italy, or eastern Europe are not well developed enough yet. The train is great in the directions of Paris, Frankfurt, Berlin, and London, but beyond that it often takes longer than flying and often requires multiple tickets permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] SRoss@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You just describe when it's convenient not when anyone needs to fly. With the same reasoning everyone needs to use a car for everything outside a 500m radius because it's faster than going by bike. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ABluManOnLemmy@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago I'm not just talking about faster. Over long distances flying is often almost an order of magnitude faster, significantly cheaper, more reliable (trans-continental rail journeys often involve tricky connections between different rail carriers), and much easier to book (for example, try booking a flight between Amsterdam and Bucharest, and then a train ticket). There are some connections where rail makes sense right now, but definitely not all connections. Airlines are also obligated to pay compensation if their flights are delayed, railway companies are too under certain circumstances but the amounts are far lower and this doesn't cover separate tickets, which are often needed to travel on these very long railway journeys. But I think we're in agreement that it shouldn't be this way. In situations where taking the train takes merely 2x as long as flying instead of 10x as long, it should definitely be the preferred option. Now the goal is to expand international railway connections, extend the railway compensation rights to make the trip safer to book, and provide a pan-European ticketing system that shows the lowest prices and allows all connections on a single ticket. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] ABluManOnLemmy@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unfortunately the train routes from the Netherlands to, say, Portugal, Spain, Italy, or eastern Europe are not well developed enough yet. The train is great in the directions of Paris, Frankfurt, Berlin, and London, but beyond that it often takes longer than flying and often requires multiple tickets permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] SRoss@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You just describe when it's convenient not when anyone needs to fly. With the same reasoning everyone needs to use a car for everything outside a 500m radius because it's faster than going by bike. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ABluManOnLemmy@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago I'm not just talking about faster. Over long distances flying is often almost an order of magnitude faster, significantly cheaper, more reliable (trans-continental rail journeys often involve tricky connections between different rail carriers), and much easier to book (for example, try booking a flight between Amsterdam and Bucharest, and then a train ticket). There are some connections where rail makes sense right now, but definitely not all connections. Airlines are also obligated to pay compensation if their flights are delayed, railway companies are too under certain circumstances but the amounts are far lower and this doesn't cover separate tickets, which are often needed to travel on these very long railway journeys. But I think we're in agreement that it shouldn't be this way. In situations where taking the train takes merely 2x as long as flying instead of 10x as long, it should definitely be the preferred option. Now the goal is to expand international railway connections, extend the railway compensation rights to make the trip safer to book, and provide a pan-European ticketing system that shows the lowest prices and allows all connections on a single ticket. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] SRoss@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You just describe when it's convenient not when anyone needs to fly. With the same reasoning everyone needs to use a car for everything outside a 500m radius because it's faster than going by bike. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ABluManOnLemmy@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago I'm not just talking about faster. Over long distances flying is often almost an order of magnitude faster, significantly cheaper, more reliable (trans-continental rail journeys often involve tricky connections between different rail carriers), and much easier to book (for example, try booking a flight between Amsterdam and Bucharest, and then a train ticket). There are some connections where rail makes sense right now, but definitely not all connections. Airlines are also obligated to pay compensation if their flights are delayed, railway companies are too under certain circumstances but the amounts are far lower and this doesn't cover separate tickets, which are often needed to travel on these very long railway journeys. But I think we're in agreement that it shouldn't be this way. In situations where taking the train takes merely 2x as long as flying instead of 10x as long, it should definitely be the preferred option. Now the goal is to expand international railway connections, extend the railway compensation rights to make the trip safer to book, and provide a pan-European ticketing system that shows the lowest prices and allows all connections on a single ticket. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] ABluManOnLemmy@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago I'm not just talking about faster. Over long distances flying is often almost an order of magnitude faster, significantly cheaper, more reliable (trans-continental rail journeys often involve tricky connections between different rail carriers), and much easier to book (for example, try booking a flight between Amsterdam and Bucharest, and then a train ticket). There are some connections where rail makes sense right now, but definitely not all connections. Airlines are also obligated to pay compensation if their flights are delayed, railway companies are too under certain circumstances but the amounts are far lower and this doesn't cover separate tickets, which are often needed to travel on these very long railway journeys. But I think we're in agreement that it shouldn't be this way. In situations where taking the train takes merely 2x as long as flying instead of 10x as long, it should definitely be the preferred option. Now the goal is to expand international railway connections, extend the railway compensation rights to make the trip safer to book, and provide a pan-European ticketing system that shows the lowest prices and allows all connections on a single ticket. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Holzkohlen@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Screw that. I can't even afford a flight. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Then you can't afford a train either most likely. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Then you can't afford a train either most likely. permalink fedilink source parent