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Some people just defend the status quo. (lemmy.ca)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/stopkillinggames@lemm.ee
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[–] [S] 66 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No “running the servers forever” is a bad faith argument against the initiative making it seem “unreasonable”

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    It's also subtly re-enforcing capital's position games need to operate on a centralised server model. I look back at many old multiplayer games where all I need to play with my friends is a local network. These days we get sold single player games that can't run under those conditions.

    They aren't scared of being made to run servers forever. Quite the opposite, they are scared of us not needing them to.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I mean, it could be interpreted as such. Easiest way to deal with this interpretation is by providing clear and concise explanations what precisely is being fought for. Not for those of us who are keeping an eye on things, for those who hear about it suddenly or purposefully use bad faith arguments.

    Gotta communicate STRONGLY nowadays.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    i think the simplest explanation is this:

    If your game requires a server component to be played, let players run the server. Ideally from day 1, but at least as part of shutting down your game.

    it's really not hard, that's how multi-player games worked until lootboxes took off and replaced modding.

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  • [+] -12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    WoW was server side long before that… RuneScape…

    Don’t make shit up, it doesn’t help get people on your side of the argument, it actually pushes them the other way.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    i am not making shit up, I promise I've ran many game servers over the years. I am obviously generalizing as of course there are counter examples especially MMOs.

    But then there is warcraft 1 through 3 that were peer to peer and quake, half life, unreal, painkiller, enemy territory, and just about every fps game of the era that came with the software to run your own dedicated server, or could host a listen server while playing.

    If you want to just look at a single very mainstream example, look at call of duty. Everything up to and including cod4:mw came with the software to run your own server. nothing after it did, though a few let you 'run your own server' by paying their approved hosting provider to run a copy for you, but it was always under their control and not something you could just set up on hardware you already have.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    i bring you, the incredible concept of a dedicated server.

    A few games, small ones, like minecraft, have discovered that you can just release a server binary, and people will figure everything else out, regardless of whether or not you document anything, or tell anybody how to do anything.

    Even if you have a huge MMO with a centralized server, i see no reason you shouldn't have a dedicated server infrastructure.

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