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[–] vokkez@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay but how did the US find out? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ATiredPhilosopher@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What do you think 9/11 was? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vokkez@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think 9/11 was a terrorist attack by a fundamentalist Islamic terrorist organization motivated by Bin Laden issuing fatāwā against America for stationing troops in Saudi Arabia and for supporting Israel. I think Bin Laden stating that he believed that it was a justified attack because of America's support for Israel points pretty solidly at the motivation behind the attacks: "...it was a response to injustice, aimed at forcing America to stop its support for Israel..." Also this from his video where he admits that he was behind the attacks and says that he was motivated by Israel bombing Lebanon "...it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted..." Interested in why you think oil had anything to do with 9/11. The destabilizing countries for oil stuff mostly came after 9/11. Middle Eastern hatred for America was mainly fueled by our support for Israel, and partially because Saudi Arabia had American military bases. Oil was not an interest to these terrorist groups until after Iraq. Sources for those quotes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1729882.stm https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2004/11/1/full-transcript-of-bin-ladins-speech permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ATiredPhilosopher@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) America was there for the oil, the destability came as a result and that came well before 9/11. Anyway, it'd be great if they'd stop meddling in everyone's business for their own selfish reasons and that includes the endless NATO sabre rattling under the guise of fReEdOm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vokkez@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Where? Israel? They don't have any oil. We have had bases in Saudi Arabia since the 80s because they were one of the more stable Middle Eastern nations and because they were extremely anti-communist which made them good allies at the time. If you want to insist we were there for oil then we were there to make sure the Soviets didn't get their oil. We expanded our presence there during the Gulf War because they have a border with Iraq and maintained that expanded presence until 9/11, at which point it expanded further to serve as a hub for Middle Eastern operations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ATiredPhilosopher@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What do you think 9/11 was? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vokkez@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think 9/11 was a terrorist attack by a fundamentalist Islamic terrorist organization motivated by Bin Laden issuing fatāwā against America for stationing troops in Saudi Arabia and for supporting Israel. I think Bin Laden stating that he believed that it was a justified attack because of America's support for Israel points pretty solidly at the motivation behind the attacks: "...it was a response to injustice, aimed at forcing America to stop its support for Israel..." Also this from his video where he admits that he was behind the attacks and says that he was motivated by Israel bombing Lebanon "...it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted..." Interested in why you think oil had anything to do with 9/11. The destabilizing countries for oil stuff mostly came after 9/11. Middle Eastern hatred for America was mainly fueled by our support for Israel, and partially because Saudi Arabia had American military bases. Oil was not an interest to these terrorist groups until after Iraq. Sources for those quotes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1729882.stm https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2004/11/1/full-transcript-of-bin-ladins-speech permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ATiredPhilosopher@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) America was there for the oil, the destability came as a result and that came well before 9/11. Anyway, it'd be great if they'd stop meddling in everyone's business for their own selfish reasons and that includes the endless NATO sabre rattling under the guise of fReEdOm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vokkez@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Where? Israel? They don't have any oil. We have had bases in Saudi Arabia since the 80s because they were one of the more stable Middle Eastern nations and because they were extremely anti-communist which made them good allies at the time. If you want to insist we were there for oil then we were there to make sure the Soviets didn't get their oil. We expanded our presence there during the Gulf War because they have a border with Iraq and maintained that expanded presence until 9/11, at which point it expanded further to serve as a hub for Middle Eastern operations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vokkez@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think 9/11 was a terrorist attack by a fundamentalist Islamic terrorist organization motivated by Bin Laden issuing fatāwā against America for stationing troops in Saudi Arabia and for supporting Israel. I think Bin Laden stating that he believed that it was a justified attack because of America's support for Israel points pretty solidly at the motivation behind the attacks: "...it was a response to injustice, aimed at forcing America to stop its support for Israel..." Also this from his video where he admits that he was behind the attacks and says that he was motivated by Israel bombing Lebanon "...it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted..." Interested in why you think oil had anything to do with 9/11. The destabilizing countries for oil stuff mostly came after 9/11. Middle Eastern hatred for America was mainly fueled by our support for Israel, and partially because Saudi Arabia had American military bases. Oil was not an interest to these terrorist groups until after Iraq. Sources for those quotes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1729882.stm https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2004/11/1/full-transcript-of-bin-ladins-speech permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ATiredPhilosopher@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) America was there for the oil, the destability came as a result and that came well before 9/11. Anyway, it'd be great if they'd stop meddling in everyone's business for their own selfish reasons and that includes the endless NATO sabre rattling under the guise of fReEdOm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vokkez@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Where? Israel? They don't have any oil. We have had bases in Saudi Arabia since the 80s because they were one of the more stable Middle Eastern nations and because they were extremely anti-communist which made them good allies at the time. If you want to insist we were there for oil then we were there to make sure the Soviets didn't get their oil. We expanded our presence there during the Gulf War because they have a border with Iraq and maintained that expanded presence until 9/11, at which point it expanded further to serve as a hub for Middle Eastern operations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ATiredPhilosopher@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) America was there for the oil, the destability came as a result and that came well before 9/11. Anyway, it'd be great if they'd stop meddling in everyone's business for their own selfish reasons and that includes the endless NATO sabre rattling under the guise of fReEdOm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vokkez@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Where? Israel? They don't have any oil. We have had bases in Saudi Arabia since the 80s because they were one of the more stable Middle Eastern nations and because they were extremely anti-communist which made them good allies at the time. If you want to insist we were there for oil then we were there to make sure the Soviets didn't get their oil. We expanded our presence there during the Gulf War because they have a border with Iraq and maintained that expanded presence until 9/11, at which point it expanded further to serve as a hub for Middle Eastern operations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vokkez@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Where? Israel? They don't have any oil. We have had bases in Saudi Arabia since the 80s because they were one of the more stable Middle Eastern nations and because they were extremely anti-communist which made them good allies at the time. If you want to insist we were there for oil then we were there to make sure the Soviets didn't get their oil. We expanded our presence there during the Gulf War because they have a border with Iraq and maintained that expanded presence until 9/11, at which point it expanded further to serve as a hub for Middle Eastern operations. permalink fedilink source parent