We have /c/fuckcars but no /c/fuckplanes. Yet a lot of the same arguments apply. They cause air pollution (roughly double the amount per km traveled), noise pollution and they (airports) take up a lot of space near dense living areas. Sure, some places can practically only be visited by plane, just like some places can practically only be visited by car. But people don't consider not having your holiday that far away or giving pushback on a busines trip that should have been an online meeting. Besides work-from-home being encouraged, work-from-home-country should be too.

Cars need to be discouraged in favor of busses, trams and trains. Planes nees to be discouraged in favor of high-speed trains, staycations and hopefully new alternatives like modern sailboats or electric planes.

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[–] 2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It's like saying "Well me smoking meth and beating my wife isn't the problem, the problem is the dealer who sells me the meth"

This is something I see so much. People like giving evocative similes without a single thought toward parity. We don't live in a world where the worst climate abuses are economy class fliers going on a four flights per year, and we could solve the whole thing if people just...didn't.

A more comparable simile is if all of what you said were true...and the pair of these hypothumans were chattel slaves under a mean master in the Deep South. Yes, the meth-taking physical abuser should stop, but there are worse abuses happening every day, on a larger scale, by a rich white man who owns them both.

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    I could say the exact same thing to you, removing any context about the supermajority of polluters to say "what about how every individual is doing their part to pollute too!"

    And we'll both just be sat here, I guess.

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    You could, but that would be intellectually dishonest, because you came and replied to Me while I was talking about the actions of the common people. I'm not doing anything to deny the role of the rich in all this, but you're coming to a conversation about the role of the poor and saying "what about this other thing".

    If Franz and Albert are talking about the hockey and I butt in to talk about tennis, there's nothing wrong with them continuing to talk about hockey. Tennis is the intruder, that's quite obvious.

    You're the one saying that one thing is good because the other is bad. I think they're both bad. I'm not using any badness as an excuse.

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